I can see why the coaching panel made their decision on ROK, but I think Jude had a dignified finish to his Swans career! Arguments can be made about the relative performance and positional requirements of Jude in 2013 and ROK in 2014, but I hope ROK has an equally dignified finish as Jude when the time comes!
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I do too. ROK has been one of my favourite players for a long time. I hope he has a great season. But I have no expectations that the club will pick him on sentiment rather than merit. It has to be up to him and the club to find a way to use him that will be of benefit to the club.
Not getting selected in the original side for round 1 doesn't necessarily spell the end. Brad Sewell (who, as you'd remember, was right up there with ROK as one of the best players in the 2012 grand final and who also shares ROK's lack of pace) was dropped for a while from Hawthorn's side last year. But he worked his way back in and picked up a premiership medal. He's also still going in 2014.Comment
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This is classic RWO. Worse than the Melbourne media it holds in disdain, a few rational posters not withstanding. That's why we keep coming back !Comment
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Sorry, but little of that makes any sense. ROK was in contract at the end of 2013 (hence he is still on the list), so there was no need to work out a one year deal for him. There may or may not be at the end of 2014, depending on how the season unfolds.
Why can we not presume that Jude was picked in the team each week on merit. There was a clear role for him to play, and one he played pretty well throughout the year. There was no-one in the reserves capable of playing the role that he was keeping out of the team as a favour to him.
Why can we not presume that Longmire and the rest of his coaching panel will also pick the 2014 each week on merit. That may or may not include ROK each week. What exactly needs to be "worked out" for ROK?Sadly it is part of the human condition that we (or some of us) like to see others fail. Discord makes better stories than harmony. Clubs and the media see us as a contender, and some are irritated that the club has broken the rules by staying relatively competitive over a fair stretch of years. Didn't the Swans realise it was their duty to languish down the bottom of the ladder for a few years to give richly deserving clubs like Carlton and Richmond their shot at success? Two premierships in less than a decade was certainly one too many; for some it was two too many. When will these interstate clubs realise they are only there to pad out the ladder so the venerable Victorian teams can look down from an even greater height when it's their turn at the top of the ladder? Between Brisbane, Port and West Coast (and maybe soon Freo and then GC and GWS) we really haven't understood how things are meant to work.
I'd be disappointed if players at the club didn't get into heated arguments from time to time. They pride themselves on plain talking, on calling out a mate who isn't doing "the team thing". They are (we hope) driven to succeed. There have to be disagreements now and again - hopefully constructive but I doubt they are all the time, at least not at first.
Fantastic Liz! Very well said!Comment
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He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)Comment
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Classic Liz.
"Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter"
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[QUOTE=Jewels;635121]Bingo!!!!!!
Thank you Liz and Meg for your rational and well reasoned posts.
I love the rational and ell reasoned posts, indeed I try and emulate them sometimes (with varying effectiveness).
But "vive la difference".
I also love the ratbaggery, the wild optimism and the wild pessimism seen here; the joy, the despair; the over analysis, and the knee jerk reactions.
It all makes up the cocktail that is RWO.
But I hate vindictiveness and personal comments that creep in rarely..but then I love the mods swift reaction to those moments.
Long live RWO in its' present form.Comment
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Sadly it is part of the human condition that we (or some of us) like to see others fail. Discord makes better stories than harmony. Clubs and the media see us as a contender, and some are irritated that the club has broken the rules by staying relatively competitive over a fair stretch of years. Didn't the Swans realise it was their duty to languish down the bottom of the ladder for a few years to give richly deserving clubs like Carlton and Richmond their shot at success? Two premierships in less than a decade was certainly one too many; for some it was two too many. When will these interstate clubs realise they are only there to pad out the ladder so the venerable Victorian teams can look down from an even greater height when it's their turn at the top of the ladder? Between Brisbane, Port and West Coast (and maybe soon Freo and then GC and GWS) we really haven't understood how things are meant to work.
I'd be disappointed if players at the club didn't get into heated arguments from time to time. They pride themselves on plain talking, on calling out a mate who isn't doing "the team thing". They are (we hope) driven to succeed. There have to be disagreements now and again - hopefully constructive but I doubt they are all the time, at least not at first.Bingo!!!!!!
Thank you Liz and Meg for your rational and well reasoned posts.
I love the rational and ell reasoned posts, indeed I try and emulate them sometimes (with varying effectiveness).
But "vive la difference".
I also love the ratbaggery, the wild optimism and the wild pessimism seen here; the joy, the despair; the over analysis, and the knee jerk reactions.
It all makes up the cocktail that is RWO.
But I hate vindictiveness and personal comments that creep in rarely..but then I love the mods swift reaction to those moments.
Long live RWO in its' present form.Comment
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Red and White is fantastic and I've enjoyed being part of it! People have different ideas and theories which is what makes it fun! I certainly have a couple of ideas that I enjoy posting, and now I have a few people chasing my tail ready to pull me into to line especially that person who has that phone number as there alias. My best mate is on Red and White as well and enjoys sending me text messages when I'm pulled in into line!
You can interpret it into individual meaningful numbers.
Can you work it out?Comment
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I am suspicious about the motives for downgrading ROKs credentials. He came into the game and got 7 possessions in one quarter which gave him the same Buddy for the whole match. There is another agenda here. Either he has not been a good clubman (which I find incredibly hard to believe) or the Buddy purchase has stretched the budget beyond keeping aging veterans(with 2015 in mind). I favour the latter and I hope I am wrong.We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!Comment
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