Changes for Round 5 versus Fremantle

[Blood Tunnel]

I've read an old story where during the Gold Rush in America a bunch of fortune seekers bought expensive digging equipment and spent months and months digging but decided to give up one day and do something different to find their fortune. They sold the goldmine and equipment to another guy who discovered gold a few inches from where they had stopped digging a week later. They had given up and changed their plan mere inches from their goal.

Sometimes changing things isn't what gets results. Sometimes brute persistence, belief and patience pays off.

Yeah but digging up the SCG surface so soon after building the new grandstands isn't the answer.

[liz]

I've heard no negative comments close around me at any game, and each one has been at a different ground so I've been sitting near completely different groups of Swans fans. The roar that went up when he took his first mark and goal at the GWS game was reminiscent of the old Plugger days.

I am sure that there are a handful of Swans fans who like to jibe and berate, but most of them aren't fussy who they pick on. They just like to spend a whole game listening to their own voices.

The onfield issue isn't Buddy. We saw last week what he is capable of when he gets decent service.

As for leadership, last week we had Harry telling us about how much Buddy has been helping him up in the forward line, and during pre-season Macca told us about how he's been contributing ideas, bringing stuff from Hawthorn. All the players' onfield actions suggest he is valued and "part of the group".

If Buddy is indirectly causing an issue with cohesion it may be because some players are looking to Buddy to do too much but a far greater issue is a lack of run, an inability to kick the ball to a team mate and patchy hardness at the ball.

[Triple B]

I particularly despise the action of fans leaving the game before the final siren has gone, because their team is losing.

So if their teams are leading by 10 goals and they want to get away at the 20m mark of the last quarter to beat the traffic or they have younguns with them which makes shuffling out with a large crowd problematic, that's okay?

You just despise it if their team is losing. Interesting...

[Big Al]

So if their teams are leading by 10 goals and they want to get away at the 20m mark of the last quarter to beat the traffic or they have younguns with them which makes shuffling out with a large crowd problematic, that's okay?

You just despise it if their team is losing. Interesting...

If you pay your money you can leave, stay and do what the hell you want. Everyone's situation is different and it's ridiculous to judge.

[Matt80]

If you pay your money you can leave, stay and do what the hell you want. Everyone's situation is different and it's ridiculous to judge.

Cool down Big Al and Triple B. I know everyone situation is different. I have a three year old, so I understand the issue with youngsters.

I just don't like seeing the mass exodus of people who leave 10 minutes before the end when they can see their team is unlikely to win. The same people are glued to their seats when the game is very tight in the last 5 minutes.

I think it's important to respect the effort of all 44 players by staying to the end. As Robert Walls once said "these guys are hero's" and i like seeing hero's fighting to the very end.

[CJK]

As Robert Walls once said "put barry hall into the ruck" and i like seeing hero's fighting to the very end.

Fixed that for an equally sensible and valid Walls statement.

[Triple B]

Fixed that for an equally sensible and valid Walls statement.

Except he said it WAY more than once. Unless you mean once a week....lol

[ScottH]

Cool down Big Al and Triple B. I know everyone situation is different. I have a three year old, so I understand the issue with youngsters.

I just don't like seeing the mass exodus of people who leave 10 minutes before the end when they can see their team is unlikely to win. The same people are glued to their seats when the game is very tight in the last 5 minutes.

I think it's important to respect the effort of all 44 players by staying to the end. As Robert Walls once said "these guys are hero's" and i like seeing hero's fighting to the very end.

It's part of footy!!!!!

[CJK]

Except he said it WAY more than once. Unless you mean once a week....lol

Once a qrt if we were losing!

[aguy]

Out ROK in towers
Out Derickx in nankervis
Out shaw in Biggs
Out Mitchell in bird

[Jewels]

I just don't like seeing the mass exodus of people who leave 10 minutes before the end when they can see their team is unlikely to win. The same people are glued to their seats when the game is very tight in the last 5 minutes.

It may not be the greatest look, but I think you'll find most people do it out of practicality not poor sportsmanship.
I always leave about 5 mins from the end if a loss looks imminent, I have the best part of a two hour drive home after the game so I don't need to add on 30-45 minutes extra just trying to get out of the car park if I'm not going to have the joy of singing our song at the end!

[bloodsbigot]

It may not be the greatest look, but I think you'll find most people do it out of practicality not poor sportsmanship.
I always leave about 5 mins from the end if a loss looks imminent, I have the best part of a two hour drive home after the game so I don't need to add on 30-45 minutes extra just trying to get out of the car park if I'm not going to have the joy of singing our song at the end!

Agreed. You're team just lost, you don't need another hour of waiting in traffic to rub salt in the wounds.

[Matt80]

Apologies to those I've offended on the leaving the ground early issue. I understand there practicalities involved.

It's just my thing. My fiancee had corporate passes to the 2006 Grand Final. After the final siren, the people we were with jumped up to leave. I was annoyed with my fianc?e, because I wanted to watch the losing ceremony presentation, and pay respect to the defeated Swans moping on the grass. She told me to pull my head in, and that we were leaving!

[mcs]

The 'youth' strategy is stupid and has crept into many sports in Australia. Including my beloved Socceroos... who will get severely destroyed in Brazil because of their rebuilding phase.

I can comprehend it with the socceroos though - because it has been proven over a couple of years, and especially recently, that the older brigade are clearly not up to the challenge either. They will get belted in Brazil, but that would of happened with the older guys there anyway. Better to get experience into the next generation which will be far better for the experience come the qualifying campaign for Russia 2018!

[Big Al]

It may not be the greatest look, but I think you'll find most people do it out of practicality not poor sportsmanship.
I always leave about 5 mins from the end if a loss looks imminent, I have the best part of a two hour drive home after the game so I don't need to add on 30-45 minutes extra just trying to get out of the car park if I'm not going to have the joy of singing our song at the end!

^^^^This.

I'm not very patient at the best of times. Add a loss and heavy traffic to that and I'm not entirely pleasant to be around.