Jake Carlisle

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I don't think the Sydney Swans Eastern Suburb lifestyle dividend can be ignored by serious football people.

Shhhhhh Matt80!! If the AFL or Eddie McGuire catch wind of your posts, they will try & ban Swans players from frequenting Bondi since it is a recruiting advantage comparable to the COLA

[churry]

If ASADA says you're out, you are out. Nothing the AFL can do about it

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Carlisle is a good player but I think it's unlikely that he will be a swan in 2015 or 16. I would like to see AJ fit, plus allir and x start to come through in the next few years.

[Mug Punter]

I'd say that the Bombers players will be allowed to play until natural justice (i.e. the hearing) is served.

What the AFL has no control over is the ASADA penalties if the players are found guilty.

The situation is far from resolved. Surely any conviction on a player will immediately end the coaching contract of His Smugness. I'd also anticipate a multi-million dollar legal claim from players suspended as effectively a two year suspension will either end or massively affect a footballer's career. If a dozen players are suspended then the Bombers could genuinely be facing a liability of $20m plus once legal fees are taken into account.

I know that there are probably too many rich establishment types that support them to allow them to fold but it is a salivating thought....

[Faunac8]

"I don't think the Sydney Swans Eastern Suburb lifestyle dividend can be ignored by serious football people."

Really ? I mean really ? Was that the deal breaker for Buddy? Access to water.
Does this "dividend" also apply to Gold Coast, Fremantle and Port Adelaide ?
Slightly insulting to think that professional sports people are going to overlook opportunity , environment ( team and coaching not location) potential for success and of course salary to play somewhere with a beach and a lifestyle.
Your not a Bondi real estate agent are you Matt?

[Matt80]

"I don't think the Sydney Swans Eastern Suburb lifestyle dividend can be ignored by serious football people."

Really ? I mean really ? Was that the deal breaker for Buddy? Access to water.
Does this "dividend" also apply to Gold Coast, Fremantle and Port Adelaide ?
Slightly insulting to think that professional sports people are going to overlook opportunity , environment ( team and coaching not location) potential for success and of course salary to play somewhere with a beach and a lifestyle.
Your not a Bondi real estate agent are you Matt?

I've rebranded from Bondi Beach Lifestyle to the "Eastern Suburbs Lifestyle Dividend". I've been made aware that their are Swans players in Clovelly, Coogee, Randwick and Marubra. This new branding should better reflect the lifestyle arrangements of players.

Freemantle and West Coast have a lifestyle dividend with the wonderful Subiaco, Cottisloe beach and the coffee set of Freemantle.

The Gold Coast Suns also have a significant lifestyle dividend. Did you see the report on Jeagan O'mera loving his surfing. Those Gold Coast players are loving the lifestyle. Now they are winning. You watch as the Gold Coast Suns start becoming the free agency Kings, offering weary players in Melbourne and Adelaide privacy, a successful culture and a significant lifestyle dividend.

The GWS are even working on their lifestyle dividend by renaming the Manly Wolves and holding warm down sessions on the Northern Beaches.

A strong, united winning culture, salary and opportunity are always the major drivers of player decisions.

Privacy from the obsessed football public in Melbourne and Adelaide cannot be ignored.

The "lifestyle divide" cannot be ignored as well.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Awful thread.

[liz]

Not saying we should get Carlisle, more just a general trade scenario, but we could offer our 1st round pick. Chances are that Heeney would cost our first round pick in the draft. Is there anything stopping us from trading our 1st and 2nd round picks for a player and then using our first pick on Heeney in the third round? Or do academy/father son picks need to be confirmed before the trade period? I think the salary cap will prevent us from getting anymore gun players this off season.

You have answered your own question.

[ernie koala]

This thread is a big, big stretch.

For starters T Mitchell is in the 2's because of a persistent ankle injury, not because. Lloyd and BJ are ahead of him or any other of our..." abundance of midfield talent in the 2's".

To presume the likes of Hewitt, Jones or Heeney will be equal, or out perform Mitchell (who was fantastic in his first season of seniors), in the seniors, is guesswork at best.

To presume Carlisle would want to come to Sydney, or that the Swans would so desperately want him(to trade away a 1st round f/s draft pick plus another 1st round pick), is again wild , uninformed guesswork.

Can't run with this one Matt.

[Matt80]

This thread is a big, big stretch.

For starters T Mitchell is in the 2's because of a persistent ankle injury, not because. Lloyd and BJ are ahead of him or any other of our..." abundance of midfield talent in the 2's".

To presume the likes of Hewitt, Jones or Heeney will be equal, or out perform Mitchell (who was fantastic in his first season of seniors), in the seniors, is guesswork at best.

To presume Carlisle would want to come to Sydney, or that the Swans would so desperately want him(to trade away a 1st round f/s draft pick plus another 1st round pick), is again wild , uninformed guesswork.

Can't run with this one Matt.

I thought Red and White was about guesswork. I'm sure if Carlisle makes his way to the Swans in the offseason, then you will write a well done post for me.

Why would he not want to come to the Swans? These are the reasons he may want to come to the Swans:
- Successful strong culture.
- A winning tradition.
- A coaching staff who know how to get teams into the finals.
- Play with some megastars of the game.
- A position in the Backline. He won't need to worry about playing forward at the Swans.
- Anonymous life. No one will hassle him in Sydney.
- Eastern Suburbs Lifestyle Dividend.

We can't offer him big money but a fresh star away from his current circumstances may be desired.

He is a good player and the Dons would want something good for him. Mitchell is just a suggestion.

I don't understand why people get caught up with the Father / Son issue? Football is a business of chess pieces. Tony Shaw would tell you that Rhyce Shaw has had better years at the Swans.

[707]

Can posters please remember that F/S and Academy bidding is done prior to trade week.

Heeney will cost us our first rounder this year and Dunkley is highly likely to cost us our first rounder next year.

So we do not have a first rounder to trade this year or next and, if we keep tracking as we are, our second rounder will be late 30s.

Key position defender is our biggest worry going forward, hoping AJ can make a full recovery.

[Matt80]

Are Heeney and Dunkley better than a pick around 15? If so, go for it, if not why give up your first round.

We do need a key defender and that's why I've been trying to convince people that you need to give up something good to get a shot at a good key defender.

I've been hammered by the forum for suggesting Tom Mitchell for trade. Are there any other trade options that people want to put forward to get that key defender that we need?

[aardvark]

I've been hammered by the forum for suggesting Tom Mitchell for trade. Are there any other trade options that people want to put forward to get that key defender that we need?

Nah no need to trade. We'll just find some delisted failed hack and let the Swans culture do its work. We have a much better success rate with this approach than first round draft picks.

[ernie koala]

I thought Red and White was about guesswork. I'm sure if Carlisle makes his way to the Swans in the offseason, then you will write a well done post for me.

Why would he not want to come to the Swans? These are the reasons he may want to come to the Swans:
- Successful strong culture.
- A winning tradition.
- A coaching staff who know how to get teams into the finals.
- Play with some megastars of the game.
- A position in the Backline. He won't need to worry about playing forward at the Swans.
- Anonymous life. No one will hassle him in Sydney.
- Eastern Suburbs Lifestyle Dividend.

We can't offer him big money but a fresh star away from his current circumstances may be desired.

He is a good player and the Dons would want something good for him. Mitchell is just a suggestion.

I don't understand why people get caught up with the Father / Son issue? Football is a business of chess pieces. Tony Shaw would tell you that Rhyce Shaw has had better years at the Swans.

Firstly Matt, from what I've seen of Mitchell, he won't be getting traded by the Swans unless forced to.

Nothing to do with f/s, he's just had an exceptional first year and looks like a potential elite midfielder....Can't say that, with any certainty, about any other of our up and comers.

Secondly, I agree with all your incentives, as to why a player might fancy coming to the Swans...but unless you know Carlisle and how he thinks, it's just fodder.

He was born and raised in the Essendon area and for all we know, may well love living in Melbourne near his friends and family, and have no desire to leave Melbourne..Who knows, I certainly don't know.

[liz]

Carlisle has mentioned more than once in media pieces how close he is to his family. He even has the names of his three sisters tattooed on his torso.

[Ludwig]

Are Heeney and Dunkley better than a pick around 15? If so, go for it, if not why give up your first round.

We do need a key defender and that's why I've been trying to convince people that you need to give up something good to get a shot at a good key defender.

I've been hammered by the forum for suggesting Tom Mitchell for trade. Are there any other trade options that people want to put forward to get that key defender that we need?

I agree with you on all counts Matt. So I'm going to put down a few words in your defence.

First, it is not a foregone conclusion that Heeney and Dunkley will draw bids before ours in the first round, and in the Heeney case, from another state. You would think Heeney is mentally committed to the Swans, and teams want players that want to play for them. Since these selections are made before trade week, if a club commits its first round pick at this time, they lose a big trading option before the trade period even begins.

Maybe our list assessment will change at year end, but as of now, our tall KPD stocks are most in question. So it's not unreasonable to look for a trade option that fills this gap.

Although Tom Mitchell has the makings of a star, he has plenty of competition for his type of player in our side. It just so happens that the Swans are particularly strong in the areas Tom Mitchell excels, so he becomes a realistic trade-able option. There is no point in keeping top line players who can't get into our side, or by playing, is keeping an equally top line player out of the lineup.

Besides the likely drafting of Heeney and Dunks, I rate Robinson, Jones and Hewitt as very likely AFL players. All can play inside and probably offer more pace on the outside. That's a lot of players to try to find room for in an already full midfield.

Mitchell has already made a bit of a name for himself as a potential star, so would have good trade value. In fact, he is probably our most high valued midfielder not currently in the side. Under these circumstances, why shouldn't Mitchell be considered as a trade option to land a good KPD?