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  • CureTheSane
    Carpe Noctem
    • Jan 2003
    • 5032

    FWIW, I was watching the game, not only complaining about the umpiring from a Swans fan perspective, but around 3 or 4 times I said "...that should have been a free against us..."
    15m was very subjective last night. Kind of like the umpired decided that if it was a conservative kick (usually a Swans kick) it wasn't 15, and if it was an attacking kick (usually a Hawks kick) it was ok.
    Remember a Swan laid a tackle around a hawks biceps and as the hawk fell he slid through the arms. No contact to the head, but a high tackle was awarded.
    never thought I'd say it, but I think the 'holding the ball' time allowance to get rid of the ball has gone too far.
    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8162

      Originally posted by CureTheSane
      FWIW, I was watching the game, not only complaining about the umpiring from a Swans fan perspective, but around 3 or 4 times I said "...that should have been a free against us..."
      15m was very subjective last night. Kind of like the umpired decided that if it was a conservative kick (usually a Swans kick) it wasn't 15, and if it was an attacking kick (usually a Hawks kick) it was ok.
      Remember a Swan laid a tackle around a hawks biceps and as the hawk fell he slid through the arms. No contact to the head, but a high tackle was awarded.
      never thought I'd say it, but I think the 'holding the ball' time allowance to get rid of the ball has gone too far.
      Look no further than the htb not given that should have been for the late wee and poo goal in the third quarter. The hawks player had plenty of time to previously dispose of the ball before getting tackled, should have been pinged inmediately. Instead got given a good few extra seconds to 'dispose' it, ( even though to me at the ground it looked a throw). It didnt decide the game but certainly helped give them all the momentum going into 3/4 time.
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • CureTheSane
        Carpe Noctem
        • Jan 2003
        • 5032

        Yep, there were two very obvious ones.
        The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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        • rojo
          Opti-pessi-misti
          • Mar 2009
          • 1103

          Originally posted by ernie koala
          I agree with most of your points.

          Though Goodsey can't run and is being found out....It's a problem. Horse and co need to find a way of covering his lack of acceleration.

          I also was pleasantly surprised with Towers, he did a great job as sub, his pressure was good and he has really quick, clean hands.

          We had a few of our usual suspects down last night...Kennedy, Smith, Jack, Pyke, to name a few.

          If we play them again, with Hanners and Shaw in, I hope they do play Sewell, he'll be found out like Goodsey.

          IMO, we'll beat them well next time around.
          Don't know if we would be too happy for Sewell to kick 4 goals!

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          • Gary
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2005
            • 608

            Free kicks ... don't know the number but as above we got some bad calls ... couldn't believe the hospital hand pass Jack gave (is he less than fully fit?) ... but the free kick against our receiver for HTB was in an immediate act of attempting to kick ... there was no prior opportunity ... so it should be "play on" as in the old days. This is driving me crazy ... it is inventing an infraction when none exist ... and it cost us a vital goal.
            Overall ... we did not play well and I was expecting it ... though will admit it looked reasonable at 23 up! After that we just lost our way with foolish stuff down back.What was with the Reg take off ... he was his usual mad mix ... but I felt like taking both Cunningham and him off for that crazy hand pass behind, so that Reg can kick it into a hand.
            Can't remember a game where we were beaten so often and well by opposition players simply turning to the boundary and going past our blokes who seemed to have forgotten how to defend.
            So much one could say ... Essendon all of a sudden look like a major threat.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              Originally posted by mcs
              Look no further than the htb not given that should have been for the late wee and poo goal in the third quarter. The hawks player had plenty of time to previously dispose of the ball before getting tackled, should have been pinged inmediately. Instead got given a good few extra seconds to 'dispose' it, ( even though to me at the ground it looked a throw). It didnt decide the game but certainly helped give them all the momentum going into 3/4 time.
              What gets me is that shortly after, early in the 4th qtr. Puopolo tackled Rampe in what has been usually let go for no prior opportunity, because he was tackled immediately, but was called on it and Puopolo kicked the goal, (as noted by Gary above). So that's total inconsistency that went against us for more than the game margin. I thought the umpiring was fairly even, but the calls against us were very damaging. There was also a legal handball that was called illegal against Reid just out of the goal square that cost us another opportunity.

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              • mcs
                Travelling Swannie!!
                • Jul 2007
                • 8162

                Originally posted by Ludwig
                What gets me is that shortly after, early in the 4th qtr. Puopolo tackled Rampe in what has been usually let go for no prior opportunity, because he was tackled immediately, but was called on it and Puopolo kicked the goal, (as noted by Gary above). So that's total inconsistency that went against us for more than the game margin. I thought the umpiring was fairly even, but the calls against us were very damaging. There was also a legal handball that was called illegal against Reid just out of the goal square that cost us another opportunity.
                Yep, 2 harsh calls didn't help - 50/50's that didn't go our way on the night. Same again with the late Goodes 'no mark'. But maybe we are saving the 50/50's to go our way when it really counts in September
                "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                • Matt80
                  Suspended by the MRP
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 1802

                  Everyone is trying to explain away the Laidler goal as some sort of strategic mix up. It was no such thing.

                  It was about a player being beaten one on one due to a lack of pace. If have been ridiculed on Red and White for talking about players with electric pace. This is the situation where electric pace was needed. Rohan, Towers, Shaw or Jones would have got that ball to the boundary or executed a tackle.

                  The worst effort of all was that Cunningham paddle to the boundary that he let get behind him. This led to a goal in the 3rd quarter.

                  The Swans also failed to get the ball close enough to the boundary line when they were executing a bail out kick.

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                  • mcs
                    Travelling Swannie!!
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 8162

                    Originally posted by Matt80
                    Everyone is trying to explain away the Laidler goal as some sort of strategic mix up. It was no such thing.

                    It was about a player being beaten one on one due to a lack of pace. If have been ridiculed on Red and White for talking about players with electric pace. This is the situation where electric pace was needed. Rohan, Towers, Shaw or Jones would have got that ball to the boundary or executed a tackle.

                    The worst effort of all was that Cunningham paddle to the boundary that he let get behind him. This led to a goal in the 3rd quarter.

                    The Swans also failed to get the ball close enough to the boundary line when they were executing a bail out kick.
                    Matt you posted that on the other thread as well - surely on 1 thread is enough!

                    Football is not, despite what you think, solely about pace and tackling. Towers does not have electric pace, whatever you may think.
                    "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      We can pick the eyes out of the game if we want, but in the end it was a match between 2 fairly equal sides that could have gone either way. If we play them in the GF we can expect the same.

                      I thought we had the better of them most of the game, but dropped off enough during that period from midway through the 3rd to midway through the 4th where they kicked 9 goals that determined the game. Horse will surely be disappointed in allowing that change in momentum. And even during this period, you wouldn't say that Hawthorn were dominant. It was more that they were able to string a number of disposals together and kick the goals when it counted. Smith's 3 goals really hurt and Breust can cause so much damage with just a few touches.

                      It was just the slightest drop off in manning up and chasing that let them move the ball forward. I don't think that will happen in a GF. We also dropped a number of marks in defence that we should have taken. It was a lot of points for us to concede regardless that it was against a high scoring Hawthorn team. It will be a good game to learn from.

                      We have 5 games now that we should win and seal a top 2. We can probably even lose one and still end up top 2. The game was far more important to Hawthorn than to us, even though it meant we could have rapped up top 2 with a win. Now we will have to keep our intensity up for the rest of the season.

                      The positives were the good games from Rohan and Towers. Cunningham and Lloyd continue to play decent footy. I loved Lloyd's bullet kick to Buddy that set up our first goal.

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                      • Ampersand
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 694

                        Run home for our biggest threats for a top two place:

                        Sydney - Facing 2 Top 8 sides (with only Port a possible rival for top 2)
                        Hawthorn - Facing 3 Top 8 sides (including Dockers and Geelong, so one team at least will drop a game)
                        Dockers - Facing 3 Top 8 sides (including Geelong, Hawks and Port)
                        Geelong - Facing 3 Top 8 sides (including North, Dockers and the Hawks)
                        Port - facing 3 Top 8 sides plus GC Suns (Sydney, Dockers)

                        - - - Updated - - -

                        So basically, here's hoping there's some carnage below us on the ladder.
                        Last edited by Ampersand; 27 July 2014, 06:29 PM.

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                        • Matt80
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 1802

                          Originally posted by mcs
                          Matt you posted that on the other thread as well - surely on 1 thread is enough!

                          Football is not, despite what you think, solely about pace and tackling. Towers does not have electric pace, whatever you may think.
                          Apologies. I thought my post in the other thread had not gone through.

                          I think Towers has great pace. He certainly has the vertical leap record at the draft. This leaping ability will be very handy in our post Shaw, Malceski backline. Rohan, Rampe and Towers will be pacy, high leaping, 3rd man up defensive weapons.

                          It was thrilling to see Rampe beat Jack Gunston. He was even out bodying him and out marking him. What about the tackle in the goal square?

                          Rohan's chasing was thrilling. He laid one brilliant tackle in the pocket and had three amazing chase downs that rushed the Hawks carriers. Longmire will enjoy showing those ones on the tape. He must stay in the backline.

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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8162

                            Originally posted by Matt80
                            Apologies. I thought my post in the other thread had not gone through.

                            I think Towers has great pace. He certainly has the vertical leap record at the draft. This leaping ability will be very handy in our post Shaw, Malceski backline. Rohan, Rampe and Towers will be pacy, high leaping, 3rd man up defensive weapons.

                            It was thrilling to see Rampe beat Jack Gunston. He was even out bodying him and out marking him. What about the tackle in the goal square?

                            Rohan's chasing was thrilling. He laid one brilliant tackle in the pocket and had three amazing chase downs that rushed the Hawks carriers. Longmire will enjoy showing those ones on the tape. He must stay in the backline.
                            I was very happy with Rohan last night - a big step forward for him, and it looks like it might just be starting to click for him again.
                            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                            • Meg
                              Go Swannies!
                              Site Admin
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 4828

                              Originally posted by Ampersand
                              So basically, here's hoping there's some carnage below us on the ladder.
                              Some carnage today for Collingwood with a win by the Crows by 16 points. Never thought I'd be barracking for the Crows but I was today. That puts the Crows into the top eight and the Pies drop out to 9th.

                              Hehe, do you think Eddie will blame this on COLA and the Academy??

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                              • mcs
                                Travelling Swannie!!
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 8162

                                Originally posted by Meg
                                Some carnage today for Collingwood with a win by the Crows by 16 points. Never thought I'd be barracking for the Crows but I was today. That puts the Crows into the top eight and the Pies drop out to 9th.

                                Hehe, do you think Eddie will blame this on COLA and the Academy??
                                And Heeney and Mills as well Meg - surely they are the root of collingwoods fall from grace.... (which I hope may continue long into the future!)
                                "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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