List changes and trade bait

[0918330512]

How did you understand what he was trying to say?

Lemme help

Be honest people, ROK too slow, game's passed him by. I loved watching him play, but let's be honest, he's not a Red and White legend, he wanted to leave, how loyal is that?

[rojo]

Despite your rationale, to some, maybe many fans, ROK is a red and white legend. Having watched him run around in the red and white since he was drafted I for one appreciate his contribution to the club. If all had gone according to his plan he would have been a 300 gamer for the club at the end of this season, one of only 4 I think, ever. It is not of his choosing that it hasn't worked out that way.

I think all would be in agreement with the plan to give game-time to the young runners as the season unfolded and it became obvious that ROK no longer had the pace to be competitive. My suggestion was that he be considered for one last game in the seniors, say this coming week, so that he could exit with a bit of dignity, eg be carried off by his buddies. It would not be 'gifting' him a game, he is still capable of getting as many touches as a few others in the team but it will probably come down to whether Mitchell is physically fit enough to step up this week. I would be happy if somehow ROK gets one last game.

[CureTheSane]

Lemme help

Thank Lemme for me.
Nice of him to take a break from Motorhead to translate

[Meg]

I'm not in the "give ROK one last game" camp unless he is required due to injuries. But in any case surely the players can't carry him off unless he announces his retirement? Otherwise perhaps they should carry Malceski off just in case he goes somewhere else next season.

[rojo]

Yes, therein lies one of the problems!! I suspect ROK is holding out to see if anyone is prepared to give him another year. The chances of don't look great but he won't know for sure until after the end of the season.

[liz]

If neither Bird nor JPK is able to take their place in the team next week I'd think ROK would definitely be in the mix. He and Mitchell are the obvious candidates, but Mitchell only just played his first full reserves game after his latest short injury lay-off.

[albrotha]

Smith will come back in for Kennedy or Bird should the miss out through injury.

[penga]

Player Movement.. Todd Goldstein, anyone? From my, albeit brief, research he is yet to re-sign.

[troyjones2525]

Saw on AFL 360 tonight that Roosy said at his press conference that pick 2 could definitely be on the table again. Now at the risk of being ridiculed a la Matt80, does anyone think that there is a possibility that 1: we might offer up a Tom Mitchell and maybe Malceski for the pick #2 and 2: do you think they'd take it?

Now I rate Tom as much as the next person and think he's a potential superstar, but we have a very strong midfield with more talent to come on through and a trade like this will free up plenty of cash plus add to our list another young elite talent.

Possibility?

[Doctor]

Saw on AFL 360 tonight that Roosy said at his press conference that pick 2 could definitely be on the table again. Now at the risk of being ridiculed a la Matt80, does anyone think that there is a possibility that 1: we might offer up a Tom Mitchell and maybe Malceski for the pick #2 and 2: do you think they'd take it?

Now I rate Tom as much as the next person and think he's a potential superstar, but we have a very strong midfield with more talent to come on through and a trade like this will free up plenty of cash plus add to our list another young elite talent.

Possibility?

Nope. Malceski is a free agent, so it can't happen. I won't ridicule you about including Mitchell, but will say more generally that the endless speculation without foundation does us as a club even less favours than it does to Tom. Had he spent a year full fit in the reserves then it would be a different matter. He hasn't, and others have gotten in ahead of him. There's no doubt, however, that a fully fit Tom Mitchell is in our best XXII, which is a position the club has reiterated endlessly. They would love to have him in there, but not at the expense of someone who is, presently, fitter and more deserving.

[jono2707]

If we did get pick 2 or another top 5 pick by trading, and a team above us bids for Heeney, are we then forced to give up that pick for Heeney instead of our pick 18 or whatever it ends up being?

[Ludwig]

Saw on AFL 360 tonight that Roosy said at his press conference that pick 2 could definitely be on the table again. Now at the risk of being ridiculed a la Matt80, does anyone think that there is a possibility that 1: we might offer up a Tom Mitchell and maybe Malceski for the pick #2 and 2: do you think they'd take it?

Now I rate Tom as much as the next person and think he's a potential superstar, but we have a very strong midfield with more talent to come on through and a trade like this will free up plenty of cash plus add to our list another young elite talent.

Possibility?

I don't think either you or Matt80 should be ridiculed about raising this subject as I think there are valid reasons why your suggestion is certainly possible.

1. Although Malceski is a indeed a free agent, it would be of value to Melbourne to include him in a trade if Frawley leaves Melbourne as a free agent. If Malceski is taken as a free agent that would reduce the compensation that Melbourne would receive for Frawley.
2. There is not doubt that Mitchell is a player of potential star quality. But due to the fact that the Swans have drafted well in recent years (Cunningham, Lloyd, Jones, Hewett) and have another 3 top rated midfielders on the way in Heeney, Dunkley and Mills. There simply is no way to fit all of them into to the senior team, so it's logical to believe that at least one quality player will need to be traded. The reason that Mitchell's name keeps popping up is that everyone knows he's a quality player and he's probably not going to make our finals team.

I certainly think it would be a great deal for Melbourne. With pick 2 we would land a quality KPP prospect in exchange for a top rated midfielder, which helps a bit with team balance, and would afford some salary cap relief.

A lot of things would have to come together for such a thing to come off, including things that we as outsiders are unlikely to be privy to. Mitchell is under contract and Malceski may not want to spend his last few years not playing finals. So I think it's doubtful, but certainly a possibility.

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If we did get pick 2 or another top 5 pick by trading, and a team above us bids for Heeney, are we then forced to give up that pick for Heeney instead of our pick 18 or whatever it ends up being?

No. The picks committed for FS and academy players is decided before the trade period begins.

[albrotha]

Would hate to lose Mitchell as he is a gun.
Also thinking that other interested clubs if there really are any may not be willing to take the risk in investing in an injury prone player.
Just need to look at what has happened to Dale Thomas at Carlton where they may now be regretting the transfer.

[Ludwig]

Would hate to lose Mitchell as he is a gun.
Also thinking that other interested clubs if there really are any may not be willing to take the risk in investing in an injury prone player.
Just need to look at what has happened to Dale Thomas at Carlton where they may now be regretting the transfer.

If Mitchell is injury prone, shouldn't we want to move him on to another club? If other clubs don't want him because he's always injured, then perhaps we shouldn't either.

[Reggi]

It is the dumbest idea I have ever heard in football. Why would you give up a player who you know will be a gun for the next Jack Watts, Josh Fraser.

You should be ridiculed for being obviously stupid. No intelligent person would do it