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[Velour&Ruffles]

If you call playing with concussion fit?

I said "apparently fit" because I recognise he copped a hit, but I can only conclude he was fit anyway. He was observed for twenty minutes, sent back on and played out the game. A fit Lloyd was subbed off instead. Frankly, if he was so disoriented by the "concussion" that he couldn't focus on what was going on around him, and couldn't get above a lazy jog, our medical staff should and would never have allowed him back on. I have sufficient faith in the competence of our medical staff to believe that he wasn't suffering any meaningful concussion and that concussion therefore does not really explain his atrocious performance.

[Melbournehammer]

There is way too much focus on individual players here. Say Jetta played a blinder in the context of the game - that is he was one of our best five and got around 20 possessions instead of five. What difference would it have made ? At best a goal or two. At best one or two more contested possessions by the Hawks.

Stop it. You are missing the point.

Have any of you watched the game again ?

Have you watched round 18 again ?

What was the score in the to at quarter time - 5.5 to 2.3. Do you want to know what it was round 18 ? 2.7 to 2.3. In both games the Hawks have had about ten scoring shots to five.

In round 18 at the ten minute mark of the third quarter we led by twenty points. The Hawks kicked nine goals to two over the next 25 minutes.

What happened in both games was a systemTic destruction of the game plan and our structures. It wasn't that we hadn't come to play. If the Hawks kicked 5.4 to quarter time do people think we hadn't come to play ? We got out to a lead of twenty points despite the hawthorn start - do people think we hadn't come to play. The nine goals to two - did we forget to play ?

I am increasingly of the view that the gf performance was entirely predictable because we failed to draw the right lessons from round 18. I am increasingly of the view that coaching and structures were ruthlessly exploited by a better team. The complacency on this board was mirrored by the coaches who thought we just had a down day when it was much more significant than that.

[aardvark]

Jettas Grand Final performance was just the straw that broke the camels back. Occasional brilliance mixed in with laconic lazy rubbish. I for one would be very happy to see him traded.