2015 academy discussion thread (with some FS thrown in for good measure)

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  • Scottee
    Senior Player
    • Aug 2003
    • 1585

    Originally posted by Reggi
    I think the club should do everything to get Mills and Dunkley. Mills will probably slip at least not one. No longer think that Dunkley is considered top 10
    Dunkley has a stress fracture of the spine. Not a good sign for a young player. Does not give a lot of confidence that his body can stand up to AFL football.

    Mills has been talked up a lot but has shin problems and doers not seem to have filled out at all since last year, may be an early developer with limited upside. Criticisms of his disposal come from a number of sources.

    We should not be paying over the odds for either player and there must be some doubt about recruiting Dunkley at all given he seems only half hearted about the Swans.
    We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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    • dimelb
      pr. dim-melb; m not f
      • Jun 2003
      • 6889

      The view of Leon Cameron at GWS, from The Age print edition that didn't make it to online:

      The Swans
      "What I'm seeing now is actually a more legitimate rivalry. Before we couldn't keep our end of the bargain on the field so issues were created off it. Now I think we've become closer off-field because of the issues we share. We know how important the academies are for the game and right now we're trying to find the next Lenny Hayes at Pennant Hills or Penrith and steer him away from the rugby league system and into ours."

      I'd like to see us working and sharing football politics tactics with GWS and the clubs in Queensland (not to mention WA and SA).

      The online article:

      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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      • The Big Cat
        On the veteran's list
        • Apr 2006
        • 2360

        Originally posted by Scottee
        Dunkley has a stress fracture of the spine. Not a good sign for a young player. Does not give a lot of confidence that his body can stand up to AFL football.

        Mills has been talked up a lot but has shin problems and doers not seem to have filled out at all since last year, may be an early developer with limited upside. Criticisms of his disposal come from a number of sources.

        We should not be paying over the odds for either player and there must be some doubt about recruiting Dunkley at all given he seems only half hearted about the Swans.
        Who says he's half hearted?
        Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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        • Scottee
          Senior Player
          • Aug 2003
          • 1585

          Has indicated he is keeping his options open.
          We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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          • cherub
            Warming the Bench
            • May 2010
            • 239

            What else can he do when the Swans are uncertain whether they want to take him?

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            • Scottee
              Senior Player
              • Aug 2003
              • 1585

              Express a preference.
              We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16795

                Originally posted by Scottee
                Express a preference.
                I have little doubt the Swans have some idea of whether he's interested. They've clearly been courting him for a while. But they're not yet in a position to make a public commitment to him. They may not be up until the time they read his name out (or pass), given the change in the process.

                I don't see any reason why Dunkley is obliged to make any public statement of what he wants to do. He seems to be skilfully playing the question with a straight bat when it's put to him. Good on him.

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                • rojo
                  Opti-pessi-misti
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1103

                  Earlier this afternoon I heard the CEO of GWS being interviewed by ABC radio commentators. It was a wide ranging discussion and he was very good at bringing through the challenges faced in developing AFL in NSW and QLD. I was 'thrilled' (!!) to hear him say what I have been thinking all along about the use of Isaac Heeney by the Melbourne media. He said that the AFL should be celebrating his rise to prominence in a way which would help promote AFL in NSW and that the way he had been made a focus in the Swans' Academy etc debate showed immaturity in thinking. I was impressed by his clear, no nonsense manner as he stated the facts in a way that commanded respect. The commentators let his observations re Isaac Heeney pass without further comment!!

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                  • Untamed Snark
                    Senior Player
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 1375

                    Of course they did.
                    To acknowledge them would be drawing attention to the farce.
                    But it is good to hear the other academies start to speak up.
                    Both NSW academies are starting to produce players that make the league sit up and take notice (I
                    know nothing about what's happening in Qld)
                    I am assuming producing quality players was the aim, even if a certain sewer brained idiot assumed the quality was only to be of a certain standard.
                    Chillin' with the strange Quarks

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                    • Pmcc2911
                      Regular in the Side
                      • May 2013
                      • 516

                      Originally posted by Pmcc2911
                      Callum did play for Nth Shore, i think he played a couple of Senior games, but that was driven more by availability. With Academy and Rams commitments there weren't a lot of free weekends left.
                      With regard to comparing Jake and Callum I am not qualified to judge the technical aspects of their games. The comparison I used to make the comment is that when watching Callum play he stands out from the other players with his class and time in decision making.
                      Jake is a good hard worker but doesn't stand out like Callum. Maybe it is a bit unfair to compare them like that

                      Another Willoughby/Mosman - North Shore lad to watch out for is Nick Foster.
                      Another academy player, played seniors for Nth Shore at 18yo last year year and has played a couple of Swans reserve games as well. A real terrier.
                      I watched Jake Veale play for the North Shore Bombers U/19's on Saturday, played across half back.
                      He is a big lad and when he beefs up his upper body will be a monster. His foot skills were elite; long, low, pin point drop punts lovely to watch.

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                      • Auntie.Gerald
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6483

                        Does anyone think it is possible mills might only get picked as say pick 8?

                        If so has anyone seen the latest sliding scale of what that means for our next pick?

                        Ie would it be closer to being left with pick 40?

                        - - - Updated - - -

                        His father was a very skillful classy player Re Veale
                        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                        • Auntie.Gerald
                          Veterans List
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 6483

                          Has anyone seen a guess at the top ten players in the draft as yet?
                          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                            Has anyone seen a guess at the top ten players in the draft as yet?
                            Way too early. The U18 Championships are a big shaper of the draft order and they've only just started. Good to see other players being talked of as possible number ones, means Mills is slipping. Anything past 5 or 6 and we're laughing.

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                            • Conor_Dillon
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 1224

                              I don't care if he doesn't play a game or not this year, Mills is head and shoulders the best midfielder of next years draft crop and it will be a miracle if he isn't bid for in the top 3.
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                              • 707
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 6204

                                Originally posted by Conor_Dillon
                                I don't care if he doesn't play a game or not this year, Mills is head and shoulders the best midfielder of next years draft crop and it will be a miracle if he isn't bid for in the top 3.
                                Not so, plenty of players who were touted early as No.1 slipped a number of places and plenty have come from no where to the very pointy end. If you read the commentaries, there are a number of players that will have recruiters salivating before Mills even gets a game. Midielders are the most numerous types in a draft, KP players always command more attention as do X factor types like Bontempelli so Mills is no certainty to atract a high bid.

                                It will also depend on who finishes in the bottom part of the table. Brisbane and GC being fellow academy holders won't cut our lunch, Carlton will go for a KP. Glad to see Melbourne win on the weekend, puts the spoiling Roos further up the ladder.

                                Quietly confident we'll be ok, providing Mills doesn't absolutely rip it up when he does play. Surely he knows the state of play :-)

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