Corruption of traditional footy talk

[DamY]

I have no problem with people new to the game who are still to be educated. What I'm railing against is people who have grown up with the sport who are trying to be smart.

eg. David Parkin - "They need someone in the forward half to take a catch" No David! It's "they need a forward who can take a mark."
eg. David Parkin#2 (although this is a bit more original) - "They need to go through the corridor." No David "They need to go up the guts."

Yep I agree with you

[Bloods05]

Should we be calling the drop punt the back-spin kick?

To be serious for a moment, a part of the history of Aussie Rules is embedded in the etymology of "drop punt".

It is so called because when it came into the game in the mid-60s it was seen as a hybrid of the punt kick (the most commonly-used kick at the time - now known as the mongrel punt) and the drop kick (which tended to be used only by the more skilful players).

This was because it was kicked without being bounced, like a punt, but in such a way that it spun through the air exactly as a drop kick did. Ergo, drop punt.

In the American game, it has no such history, so they can call it what they like. But here, it's important that we honour our history by preserving those parts of the game's terminology and nomenclature that reflect it.

[Matt80]

Well what do you expect? Australia is very Americanised and it seems the social engineers want us to follow the american corporate culture.

Just look around you and see how many amercian brands have taken over our cities.

It's working Matt. We're all laughing. But don't worry, we're not laughing AT you, we're laughing ABOUT you.

Be nice. I respect you as one of the really smart Red and White contributors. I have enjoyed reading your posts during my time on Red and White.

[Danzar]

Don't worry I'm trying humour.

This is humour:

A dyslexic walks into a bra.

This is not humour:

NFL commentators refers to the punter using the drop punt as using a back-spin kick.

Should we be calling the drop punt the back-spin kick?

Lesson one complete.

[Bloods05]

This is humour:

A dyslexic walks into a bra.

This is not humour:


Lesson one complete.

It's subjective Danzar. Some people thought The Interview was funny.

[Danzar]

It's subjective Danzar. Some people thought The Interview was funny.

True that.

[Nico]

Well what do you expect? Australia is very Americanised and it seems the social engineers want us to follow the american corporate culture.

Just look around you and see how many amercian brands have taken over our cities.

David King and Dermot Brereton are social engineers!! The world is doomed.

[Nico]

Can we call a final last second long bomb into the crowded forward line just before half time and full time a "Hail Mary"?

Can't we call a quarter where the opposition does not score a "shut out"?

Can we call desperate defensive efforts on the goal line a "goal line stand".

Can we at least call Buddy our "franchise player".

Can't we call the AFL Premiers "World Champions".

Come on people let's embrace what's great in the world of sport.

I thought you "hailed a Taxi".

[Ludwig]

?Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, dar?ber mu? man schweigen.?

[The Big Cat]

This is humour:

A dyslexic walks into a bra.

Or the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac who laid awake all night wondering if there really is a dog!

[The Big Cat]

On another thread Matt80 used another of my really, really pet sport Americanisms. ROSTER! AFL teams don't have rosters they have team lists. And while I'm at it, players don't SUIT UP they change into their footy gear. And they don't wear HOSE they wear socks! And they wear footy jumpers or guernseys they don't wear bloody JERSEYS or SHIRTS! And the ball goes out of bounds it DOESN'T FIND TOUCH!

[The Big Cat]

To be serious for a moment, a part of the history of Aussie Rules is embedded in the etymology of "drop punt".

It is so called because when it came into the game in the mid-60s it was seen as a hybrid of the punt kick (the most commonly-used kick at the time - now known as the mongrel punt) and the drop kick (which tended to be used only by the more skilful players).

This was because it was kicked without being bounced, like a punt, but in such a way that it spun through the air exactly as a drop kick did. Ergo, drop punt.

In the American game, it has no such history, so they can call it what they like. But here, it's important that we honour our history by preserving those parts of the game's terminology and nomenclature that reflect it.

You are pretty right here Bloods05 except that the punt kick used before Jack Dyer invented the drop punt was the torpedo punt (sometimes referred to as a spiral punt or more recently as a Barrel). Another punt kick used (to great effect by Peter Hudson) was the flat punt which was dropped onto the boot in line with the goals rather than angled across the boot as in to case of the "torp". Rather than spin, the flat punt would float through the air, but when kicked properly was very accurate from close range. The mongrel punt you referred to was any type of mis-kicked punt which wobbled and spun irregularly and nearly broke your fingers if you tried to mark it. (Hence Rex Hunt's description of "A mongrel, finger-breaking punt"). Andrew Dunkley was a great exponent of the mongrel punt.

Tim Lane, when asked what his greatest booper in football commentary was replied: "What I meant to say was that it was a mongrel up-country punt!"

[Meg]

?Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, dar?ber mu? man schweigen.?

And all this time I had thought Ludwig was a classical music lover. Wrong German, wrong Ludwig!

[Danzar]

?Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, dar?ber mu? man schweigen.?

After some research, followed by contemplation Ludwig, I concur.

On the issue, I'd say words are words. For me, some words are sacrosanct. A mark is a mark. I'll expose anyone who says otherwise as a phoney. Kick ins are kick outs. It's pretty damn obvious what they're doing and if everyone has been calling it thus forever, what idiot thinks it's a good idea to invent something new? I'm inclined to agree with The Big Cat in most areas.

Then there's the overarching principle. If you americanis(z)e any aspect of AFL you're doing it a disservice. Take a look at my favourite US team, the Columbus Ohio Jackaroos (I've promoted these guys on RWO before I think). They're just a small , humble outfit, but they embrace everything that is Aussie about our sport, even having their own Australian-themed parties. https://www.facebook.com/columbusfooty?fref=ts. Why would anyone who lives right here where the sport was born think it's a good idea to go the other direction?

[Ludwig]

And all this time I had thought Ludwig was a classical music lover. Wrong German, wrong Ludwig!

And what about this guy?
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