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  • goswannies
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2007
    • 3052

    #16
    Originally posted by Matt80
    This is about asset management. If you are playing the top up Dons side, who you can beat without your most impressive assets, why risk your assets.

    Every game you play them is a risk of an ACL. Why put them under that risk when you don't require them to win. Buddy will not benefit from the extra game.

    This is about underwriting and protecting our assets.

    If the Dons are at full strength, we go in full strength.
    I did my 1st ACL playing footy, 2nd netball. 3rd standing on the footpath when a car hit me ... life is a risk.

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    • royboy42
      Senior Player
      • Apr 2006
      • 2078

      #17
      Melbourne a few years ago didn't put their best team on the field, fined, called tankers etc. Top teams finals bound will rest a player here and there towards end of season.

      But not fielding your best team in round one?? Nonsensical.

      And wouldn't Essendon keep that in their minds for the next few years? That we dissed them.

      Nope, not for me. Full team please.

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      • Melbourne_Blood
        Senior Player
        • May 2010
        • 3312

        #18
        4 points, percentage, momentum at stake. If a player would be playing against a full strength bombers line up, then they should play against whatever bombard team shows ur for round 1 . If there not ready, don't play them.

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        • Matt80
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Sep 2013
          • 1802

          #19
          The reality is that most AFL players are not 100% ready to go for each game. They manage their injuries well enough to get on the field. Buddy, Tippett and Goodes have knee issues which they manage expertly through a season. Why play them when you can win without them?

          The Swans also need to have a look at the middle and lower ends of their depth chart. It could be very important later in the year when we will need to trade to raise points for Mills and Dunkley.

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          • S.S. Bleeder
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2014
            • 2165

            #20
            Originally posted by goswannies
            I did my 1st ACL playing footy, 2nd netball. 3rd standing on the footpath when a car hit me ... life is a risk.
            Wow. I'll make sure not to stand next to you in that case. I've dislocated my shoulder a dozen times but all the result of things I did, not outside influences.

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            • Melbourne_Blood
              Senior Player
              • May 2010
              • 3312

              #21
              Originally posted by Matt80
              The reality is that most AFL players are not 100% ready to go for each game. They manage their injuries well enough to get on the field. Buddy, Tippett and Goodes have knee issues which they manage expertly through a season. Why play them when you can win without them?

              The Swans also need to have a look at the middle and lower ends of their depth chart. It could be very important later in the year when we will need to trade to raise points for Mills and Dunkley.
              Umm, what? What is a depth chart? And on the other hand, we probably 'could' have won the grand final without KJ and Rampe. In reality, we got smashed with both of them playing. Round 1 is not the time to flirt with form IMO. Win by 200 points if that's what it comes to. Don't take anything for granted. We should be playing our best side whenever possible, unless we have a top 2 spot stitched up. Then it's different.

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              • 0918330512
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2011
                • 1654

                #22
                Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                Umm, what? What is a depth chart?
                See thread called depth chart

                Fact is, before round 1 last season, on paper, we were expected to beat GW$. History says we suffered our first home & away loss to the Giants. AFL history is littered with unanticipated wins/losses. And occasionally an agonising situation when a team drops a ladder position at the end of the season because of inferior percentage. Can't take any game or potential win for granted.

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                • Nico
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11343

                  #23
                  Our usual procedure is to hold back senior players in pre season games to help them get through a long tough season. It has worked since Roos was coach and indeed when he was a player. Their bodies are such that their core strength from many seasons playing carries them a long way in pre season and they don't need as much work to come to their peak. Those players held back so far "may" have a niggle or two but that doesn't mean they are not ready for Round 1. One or two matches for them before round 1 gives them the touch they need. Talk of holding back senior players for round 1 because the opposition may be weakened is folly.

                  I heard from two sources at a function last week. These blokes have some contacts around town in the AFL. One said Buddy has a problem with knee soreness the other said he has it on good authority that Buddy is burning. Longmire said recently he was happy that the season was starting later as it gave his older players plenty of time to come to their peak before Round 1.
                  http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                  • aguy
                    Senior Player
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 1324

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Nico

                    I heard from two sources at a function last week. These blokes have some contacts around town in the AFL. One said Buddy has a problem with knee soreness the other said he has it on good authority that Buddy is burning. Longmire said recently he was happy that the season was starting later as it gave his older players plenty of time to come to their peak before Round 1.
                    And what exactly is meant by buddy is burning ?

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                    • Untamed Snark
                      Senior Player
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 1375

                      #25
                      Originally posted by aguy
                      And what exactly is meant by buddy is burning ?
                      He's sharing cigarettes with Rampe
                      Chillin' with the strange Quarks

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                      • JPK12
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 246

                        #26
                        If we are paying a bombers side full of discards and VFL players regardless if we dont go hard we will still flog them without trying. Swans are at a different level fitness wise than 2nd or even 3rd grade bombers players.

                        By the 3rd quarter most of the bomber top ups wont even be able to keep up.

                        I saw quick footage of a bombers top up player the other night and it was the 2nd or 3rd qrt and he had to come off due to being exhausted.

                        I suspect if we are up by 20+ goals up in the last Horse will rest the older players.

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                        • Mountain Man
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 910

                          #27
                          Essendon played GW$ in the NAB Cup and actually won the last half.

                          Tells us about GW$ or Essendon (top up) fitness?

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                          • JPK12
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 246

                            #28
                            I dont know dont care. I just watched 1 minute of it while i was at a bar waiting for friends.

                            If anything GWS would have stopped trying and treated it as a training drill in the last.

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                            • Matt80
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 1802

                              #29
                              There could be great benefits to Buddy, Tipp and Goodes having knee soreness for round one. Sam Reid gets an opportunity as the main forward. He may kick 6 goals and nail six tackles. That would really help his confidence early in the season.

                              Pyke having some knee soreness may allow Naismith or Tom D to get some ruck time.

                              Ben McGlynn and Mcveigh having muscle tightness may allow Lloyd and Heeney greater midfield time. Hiscox may sneak onto the subs bench.

                              Ted Richards being out will give his brother a chance.

                              It's important that the Swans keep assessing their depth chart and preparing the older players for the harder games (Port).

                              As Paul Keating once said "I'm going to do you slowly". We don't need to beat the depleted Dons by 120 points with a full strength team. Winning by 35 points, while preparing the older players for round two is the play. Lets "do the competition slowly". We don't need to jump out of the blocks with "fightback".

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                              • Mug Punter
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 3325

                                #30
                                It is simple, we pick the best 22 fit and available for the Essendon game, 4 points are at stake. If nothing else percentage is always important

                                This talk of resting players for round 1 in the name of "Asset Management" is absurd in the extreme

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                                Originally posted by Matt80
                                There could be great benefits to Buddy, Tipp and Goodes having knee soreness for round one. Sam Reid gets an opportunity as the main forward. He may kick 6 goals and nail six tackles. That would really help his confidence early in the season.

                                Pyke having some knee soreness may allow Naismith or Tom D to get some ruck time.

                                Ben McGlynn and Mcveigh having muscle tightness may allow Lloyd and Heeney greater midfield time. Hiscox may sneak onto the subs bench.

                                Ted Richards being out will give his brother a chance.

                                It's important that the Swans keep assessing their depth chart and preparing the older players for the harder games (Port).

                                As Paul Keating once said "I'm going to do you slowly". We don't need to beat the depleted Dons by 120 points with a full strength team. Winning by 35 points, while preparing the older players for round two is the play. Lets "do the competition slowly". We don't need to jump out of the blocks with "fightback".
                                Early contender for dumbest post of the year - have you ever actually played competitive sport Matt or do you just see everything through your gratingly annoying Corporate Advisor Speak?

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