Delisting 2015

[Puppy Eyes]

So as far as I can tell, we're getting rid of Pyke, Dericxzhdrebxca, and Nankervis. Geez I hope Naismith is good and doesn't suffer any injuries!

[RogueSwan]

So as far as I can tell, we're getting rid of Pyke, Dericxzhdrebxca, and Nankervis. Geez I hope Naismith is good and doesn't suffer any injuries!

That's alright, Goodesy will go back into the ruck for his last year (2016).

[mcs]

He is contracted for next season (not sure why we gave him 2 years) so we won't be able to delist him this season.

Ok, fair enough - didn't realise they had given him an additional season on top of 2015 in his last contract extension.

[Conor_Dillon]

Ok, fair enough - didn't realise they had given him an additional season on top of 2015 in his last contract extension.

I don't blame you either...one of the more mystifying extensions. 2015 fair enough but 2016 doesn't seem necessary...unsure why they wouldn't do it 1 year at a time.

[Puppy Eyes]

Ruckmen. Bloody useless, big, stupid, slow, lumbering, injury prone wastes of space.

But here's the thing. You can't win a flag without one, preferably two, capable ruckmen. Name the last Premiership side to win without 2 ruckmen.

We signed Derickz because if Pyke goes down, he's our next most capable at AFL level.

We persist with Nankervis because if Tippet goes down, he's our next most capable in the forward/ruck role. There is an argument, one I don't necessarily agree with, that says he might be preferable to Tippet right now.

We persist with Naismith because he's the best future prospect. Pyke is 31 and will be 32 at the start of next year. He remains our best ruckman as it stands but that won't be for much longer. We can ill afford to delist any talls at this stage.

[Mug Punter]

One of the problems I have with people making astounding assumptions without even one bit of evidence is that it is assumption. For a start you never mentioned Marsh. You assume Aliir will be cut yet Aliir is actually very integral to our continued backline dominance. So back off Aliir he is a VERY GOOD player.

Goodes and Shaw as far as I can see are sureties to retire. But I also see that Teddy is not as good as he once was. He is getting more marks and yardage on him than before. He is getting to the expendable stage.

If Birdie is not in our best 26 then I think he might just look at a future elsewhere. Our Western Neighbours might just like to trade for him. I thuink his time here is finished. The reason, because he is not flexible. He can play mids and maybe forward if that and that is all.

Jetta is not o the table. He wants to stay by the way. Why does everybody believe an article from the year after he was drafted when he was homesick (the club sent him home in the mid season break) to say he wants to go home? @@@@ing stupid rationalisation seeing he has said already he wants to win premierships with Swans.

There are others on our list that may be up for de-listing too. for a start Mike Pyke is not far from retiring and there have been a few instances this year, including last week, that worry me. He doesn't get enough possessions or disposals around the ground. His disposals this year have been some of the worst for a ruckman and his taps to advantage are not huge either. We need to look beyond Pykie.

Nankervis has been on the list for a few years now. He has not even had a seniors game. I don't know if he will. The problem I see with him at seniors level is he is too slow. Naismith is far more mobile and he has far more upside. Young McLaren is a very mobile young ruck forward on the Rookie list so that basically gets rid of Nankervis.

Tom Derrickx was wonderful for a season but hasn't been able to get a spot in the seniors. I don't think he will.

As much as it is distasteful for me to say Alex Johnson is at this stage in limbo. There is no player who has returned from this sort of lay off and actually had a successful career. So thecodds are against him. If his injury comes good by the pre-season next year he might be retained but I think it would be really foolish if the club were to risk his comeback after the mid season break. Morribito has suffered a similar fate and now is seen as just depth if that. Next year he will be de-listed. AJ, as good as he was, cannot expect the Swans to wait. I love the guy and hope he comes back but if he is not ready to go by pre-season next year then I think the club should cut him loose. sorry folks. I love theguy too, so bloody brave and one of the best players I have ever seen.

Whatever.....

[magic.merkin]

Wow wolf went full hyperbole.

AJ was a good young player, who had some great games. Lots of potential. Yes he played on Gunston, and Fasulo. That was 2012, 3 years ago versions of those players. Gunston is a far better player now than he was, and Fasulo hasn't been getting a game. So don't confuse AJ then beating Gunston version 2015.

Nackers needs more time, won't be going anywhere.

Aliir will go around again.

Doubt delisting AJ comes with any risk picking him back up for rookie list. I doubt a club would take him due to his injuries, and surely, surely there is some honour amongst thieves and no club would take him away from where he wants to be and what he is going through there (unless he wants to return to Melbz). This would be some real bad blood if someone snapped him up.

[707]

.........Doubt delisting AJ comes with any risk picking him back up for rookie list. I doubt a club would take him due to his injuries, and surely, surely there is some honour amongst thieves and no club would take him away from where he wants to be and what he is going through there (unless he wants to return to Melbz). This would be some real bad blood if someone snapped him up.

Collingwood anyone? :-)

Or the VFL will make a rule, applying only to us, that we can't rookie our own delisted player!

[Scottee]

My shortlist would be:

Certain: Shaw
Almost Certain: Goodes

Possible:
Derickx (but not if Pyke retires or is injured, may not chance Nankervis and/or Naismith being ready).
Marsh (probably depends on the rest of the seasons form in the ressies)
Bird (don't want him to go but he may decide he needs to).
Rohan (just putting it out there, he seems to be struggling atm to find form and fitness)
Reid (if we are hanging on to Tippett is he really a high priority player, again,just putting it out there)
BJ- (he needs to improve his awareness and field /goal kicking, can't fault anything else)
Towers- (if his current ressies form is just a flash in the pan and Rohan stays)
AJ- Rooky list

[dimelb]

Rohan? Struggling?

I wish some others would struggle like that!

And Reid? Words fail me.

[Conor_Dillon]

Rohan? Struggling?

I wish some others would struggle like that!

And Reid? Words fail me.

Rohan is the best forward pressure player in the league and he's just starting to hit the scoreboard. One of our more important players.

Similarly to Reid...he can play every position on the ground which obviously makes us much more flexible. I'm still very bullish on Reid developing into a gun CHB in the years to come.

[707]

Reid has looked very comfortable down back recently. I reckon he will settle into CHB in the next year or so and be a very good one with his hands, height, agility and that long spoiling reach.

Rohan won't be seen in anything other than a Swans Guernsey in the foreseeable future. He's just starting to look better after his injury and there's so much upside to his game which is quite unique.

AJ will be given time, BJ another year to prove himself, Bird may move himself on, Marsh either makes it this year or is gone IMO.

[Scottee]

Sorry people. Somehow misread this thread as including trades. No way I would delist either Rohan or Reid. In fact I love them both in the side. Just thinking that with the situation the club is in it might need to trade players you would not expect to trade ala Schneider and Dempster.

[S.S. Bleeder]

As for defenders, isn't that what we have done at recent drafts? Marsh, X, Aliir, Jones, Newman, McLaren (and who knows what Melican may one day become or for that matter, Abe Davis). That's 6-8 potential defenders in the system at various stages of development. If anything, wouldn't be more likely to trade for a ready made defender if it is felt necessary rather than making defenders a specific focus of our drafting?

I've been saying that all season but people still seem to think we need more defenders. We'll have defenders coming out of our ears in a few years time. If we do take one it'll be a ready to go FA or a delisted KPD who can fill the gap until some of these defenders develop. I think we could do with another ruckman however, even if it is only for depth behind Naismith and Nankervis.

[S.S. Bleeder]

It would be awful to lose Jetta just when he's begun to fulfill his potential. I can only see him wanting to go back to WA. Freo will be targeting a KPP, so I doubt that they will be in a position to trade for Jetta. It's not like they are going to give up Fyfe. WCE may well be willing to give up their 1st round pick, probably around #14 for Jetta, which is where he went in the first place. I hope it doesn't happen.

A straight swap for McGovern would be acceptable. His old man did play for us after all.