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  • Simo
    Pushing for Selection
    • Jul 2011
    • 77

    #31
    Why don't we play Harry as a crumbling forward, he knows where the goals are, we don't have any small options up there, and he's not having any other impact. Play at tips, or goodseys feet. Btw goodes was our best last week. Marking well.
    Out of the square thanks horse. I'm hoping that we are in outer tradional hard training phase, that's why we are slow at the moment. Tapering helped us in 2012. The glaring factor is our rucks....getting smashed big time. Better to play no rucks and have all mids. Change it up

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    • The Big Cat
      On the veteran's list
      • Apr 2006
      • 2360

      #32
      Vision of Tippo doing ruck work with both hands. Could be the surprise in this week.
      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        #33
        Originally posted by Simo
        The glaring factor is our rucks....getting smashed big time. Better to play no rucks and have all mids.
        Like Essendon!

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          #34
          Originally posted by Simo
          Better to play no rucks and have all mids. Change it up
          I've always liked this idea. In the reserves game v. NT we won the hitouts 61 to 18, but got smashed in the game. I think the ruck contests can be conceded if you prepare yourself to block the outlets. How else would teams have a chance against Sandilands? The offset is that one team has a big bloke up in the air while the other side has an extra player waiting for the ball coming down.

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          • Bexl
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2003
            • 817

            #35
            Originally posted by Nico
            Surely Cunningham must go after his very weak effort last week. Brandon Jack was far better and was prepared to have a real go and put his body on the line. Cunningham hasn't had to wash his shorts all season. We have a tail of soft footballers who cannot and will not keep us in the top 4. Play blokes who have some heart instead of recycling the same duds.
            I agree, apart from his shot at goal when he should have passed the ball, he showed more aggression at both the ball and opposition than Cunningham and has similar pace.

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            • Swanny40519
              Regular in the side.
              • Oct 2012
              • 469

              #36
              Originally posted by Bexl
              I agree, apart from his shot at goal when he should have passed the ball, he showed more aggression at both the ball and opposition than Cunningham and has similar pace.
              +1.

              Cunningham has been soft at the ball all year and does not deserve another game. Give BJ another try.

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              • The Big Cat
                On the veteran's list
                • Apr 2006
                • 2360

                #37
                Originally posted by The Big Cat
                Vision of Tippo doing ruck work with both hands. Could be the surprise in this week.
                Listed in the Herald Sun as "Test"
                Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                • wolftone57
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5861

                  #38
                  Originally posted by The Big Cat
                  In: Franklin, McGlynn, Rohan, Richards
                  Out: Richards, Jack (B), Pyke, Jones
                  Rohan will be very lucky to make it this week. Who would be second ruck, don't say Reid as that is a wash out. He is good as a third up but that is about all. Some sides are not playing second rucks they are playing a running player then you have to look at where they are. Near the bottom.

                  Out; Shaw (don't give a damn if he played a reasonable offensive game he gets too many goals scored on him), Pyke, Goodsie (he has made himself unavailable), X Richards (after a bad start I think he did quite well in the second half on Darling), Maybe BJ.


                  In; Benny, Teddy, Buddy & this is where we get into trouble. The natural player to come in would be George Hewett but he is injured. Rohan would be better served to have a game in the Twos before returning. The only players worth bringing in at this stage are all Rookies, Newman, Perris & Foote. BJ to stay I think until Gaz gets some match conditioning, probably Cat game. The other thing we could do is keep X Richards as a third tall and let Rampe run.

                  We do need a ruckman. I think Derrickx has to be it unfortunately. So out Richards & BJ.

                  I would bring Aliir in as second ruck personally & take a risk on him. We have nothing to lose at this time. He played ruck all his junior career. He has a huge leap.

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                  • wolftone57
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 5861

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mr Magoo
                    Niasmith would have come on this year if not injured. He is ahead of Nankervis. I think they thought that one of Nakervis or Naismith would be almost ready when Pyke retired and with Tippett as a second ruckman they were covered.
                    I agree. his form in the NAB was impressive and his NEAFL form up until injured was really good apparently.

                    - - - Updated - - -

                    Originally posted by 09183305
                    In the 2000s, ruckmen from other AFL clubs:-

                    Wins: Ball, Jolly, Mumford
                    Losses: Chambers, Derickx (harsh as he's playing his role when asked)
                    Questionable successes?: Seaby (unlucky with injury), Peter Everitt (serviceable & past his best when he arrived), Tippett (more forward than ruck), Playfair (much more forward than ruck)
                    Drafted: Fitzgerald (bust due to injury), Mott (bust due to ability), Doyle (bust due to injury & ability), Stafford (success finishing with us in the 2000s), Goodes (success but injury stopped his ruckwork), Meiklejohn (bust, ability), LRT (fill in ruck at best), Sam Reid (fill in ruck at best), White (never realised his potential as a ruck, forward, winger or any other position).
                    I think you'll find Playfair was actually drafted as a forward not ruck and injury killed him. Everitt was too old when we got him.

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                    • wolftone57
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5861

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      I've always liked this idea. In the reserves game v. NT we won the hitouts 61 to 18, but got smashed in the game. I think the ruck contests can be conceded if you prepare yourself to block the outlets. How else would teams have a chance against Sandilands? The offset is that one team has a big bloke up in the air while the other side has an extra player waiting for the ball coming down.
                      In the reserves game we had 10 toppies Ludwig. you can't compare it. Essendon are playing with no rucks, it's really working for them, NOT! We got smashed against Thunder because our Toppies were not up to it. They were probably the worst I've seen for a while. But I must say the ones against Sydney Uni and GWS couldn't have been much good either, although I must concede that having to use toppies against GWS is leaving us at a huge disadvantage. Ten toppies were used last week when we can actually use 16 listed against Thunder we only used 12 due to injury. We are cruelled by injury at the moment in both sides. So i don't think the rucks had anything to do with the loss, we were having to play toppies on their good mids & that hurts.

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                      • RogueSwan
                        McVeigh for Brownlow
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 4602

                        #41
                        Originally posted by wolftone57
                        ...I think you'll find Playfair was actually drafted as a forward not ruck and injury killed him. Everitt was too old when we got him.
                        Agreed, otherwise you have to include B Hall.
                        "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                        • 0918330512
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 1654

                          #42
                          Originally posted by wolftone57
                          I think you'll find Playfair was actually drafted as a forward not ruck and injury killed him. Everitt was too old when we got him.
                          I agree we did ... like Tippett ... possibly also like Ball as he played as a forward/ruck at West Coast. But Henry is often listed as forward/ruck when his position is described, that's why I included him. He played as a ruckman for us far more often than Hall did.

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                          • AnnieH
                            RWOs Black Sheep
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 11332

                            #43
                            I got a call.
                            I'll be booting up.
                            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                            • Gary
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 608

                              #44
                              Can anyone remember Playfair getting much ruckwork??? An ordinary forward with a good attitude but not much ability even before injured.

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                              • Go Swannies
                                Veterans List
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 5697

                                #45
                                Club has announced that Adam won't play this weekend. I fear that increases the chances that we won't see him play again. I sincerely hope not.

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