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  • YvonneH
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2011
    • 1141

    #31
    So do you think Melb will still bid on Mills even though they have no hope of getting him and Parish is really the one they want?

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    • Dosser
      Just wild about Harry
      • Mar 2011
      • 1833

      #32
      Originally posted by YvonneH
      So do you think Melb will still bid on Mills even though they have no hope of getting him and Parish is really the one they want?
      Yep - they wouldnt be doing their job if they didnt.

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      • AnsweredPrayers
        Warming the Bench
        • Feb 2010
        • 123

        #33
        Makes sense. But if you have a high draft pick you'd want to make him feel special. That the club really wants him. To my simple mind bidding on someone you can't get then taking next best undermines this message. It may help the competition as a whole by keeping the Swans honest but it doesn't really help Melbourne per se.

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        • Conor_Dillon
          On the Rookie List
          • Jun 2013
          • 1224

          #34
          Originally posted by YvonneH
          So do you think Melb will still bid on Mills even though they have no hope of getting him and Parish is really the one they want?
          Would be shocked if they didn't.

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          Originally posted by AnsweredPrayers
          Makes sense. But if you have a high draft pick you'd want to make him feel special. That the club really wants him. To my simple mind bidding on someone you can't get then taking next best undermines this message. It may help the competition as a whole by keeping the Swans honest but it doesn't really help Melbourne per se.
          There's not really much difference between pick 3 and 4 anyway...I doubt a kid like Parish would be losing any sleep over it.
          Twitter @cmdil
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          • WauchopeAnalyst
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2008
            • 834

            #35
            My opinion is that the first 15-18 picks, or each clubs 1st pick, is important for the club and the player, but after that the importance wanes immediately. For Melbourne, with a poor history, to tell a player "your are good but we have find a better player however we will select you because we can't got the other player" or alternative "we want you and we think you are the best, but we have to bid for the other player first and make them match the bid". The problem of that is, and it doesnt have to be Mills it could be Hopper, isn't matched by the club and sorry Darcy we didn't select you as you are not the best".

            I would like to see one of the Academy's, not match the bid, and see what happens, although I can't see it this year. THE VFL will change the rules if a NSW or Queensland Academy player wants to go home after the 1st year. " I hate Melbourne, I miss my mum, I hate the weather". I would like to see Collingwood select a Academy player and not matched and the player wants out after the 1st year, Eddie would explode on TV, and I would pay for that!!!

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #36
              Pick #3 in the ND gets a bonus payment from the AFL of $5,000. Pick #4 gets a bonus payment of $2,500. See Schedule C section 2(g) of the CBA.

              Darcy Parish was going to use the extra money to help pay for his Mum's liver transplant. I guess she won't make it now. Thanks Melbourne. Oh Well. That's life.

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              • Mug Punter
                On the Rookie List
                • Nov 2009
                • 3325

                #37
                Originally posted by YvonneH
                So do you think Melb will still bid on Mills even though they have no hope of getting him and Parish is really the one they want?
                I wouldn't have an issue with that if they feel he is the best mid in the draft. it's hard to say with any certainty but if they end up getting Parish and bid on Mills I'd have no huge grudge there.

                By my calcs we can still easilly accomodate Mills at 3 and Dunkley as a very early second rounder

                The alternative is our second pick at 43 and a pick or two in the mid 50s

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                • S.S. Bleeder
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 2165

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Ludwig
                  Pick #3 in the ND gets a bonus payment from the AFL of $5,000. Pick #4 gets a bonus payment of $2,500. See Schedule C section 2(g) of the CBA.

                  Darcy Parish was going to use the extra money to help pay for his Mum's liver transplant. I guess she won't make it now. Thanks Melbourne. Oh Well. That's life.
                  Wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that's a disincentive for Melbourne to make a vexatious bid on Mills? That'll be $2500 that Parish misses out on and could be a bad start to their relationship. Not that he'll need the money but you would think that Melbourne would want to be seen to do the right thing by him.

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                  • Conor_Dillon
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 1224

                    #39
                    Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
                    Wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that's a disincentive for Melbourne to make a vexatious bid on Mills? That'll be $2500 that Parish misses out on and could be a bad start to their relationship. Not that he'll need the money but you would think that Melbourne would want to be seen to do the right thing by him.
                    I'm sure if this was an issue that Melbourne could somehow find a way to make up for the $2500, either legitimately or in a brown paper bag.
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                    • SimonH
                      Salt future's rising
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 1647

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Mug Punter
                      I wouldn't have an issue with that if they feel he is the best mid in the draft. it's hard to say with any certainty but if they end up getting Parish and bid on Mills I'd have no huge grudge there.

                      By my calcs we can still easilly accomodate Mills at 3 and Dunkley as a very early second rounder

                      The alternative is our second pick at 43 and a pick or two in the mid 50s
                      The disadvantage of the approach Sydney has taken has been not only to telegraph its intentions, but to leave it no practical fallback option. If we don't get Mills (and if Dunkley declines to accept nomination), then loads of picks in the 30s and later do not suit either the profile of the 2015 draft nor Sydney's needs. And draft day is too late to sell all of picks 33, 36 and 37 for pick 8 (as a matter of interest, that's what they add up to). So we have no option but to match any bid for Mills, even #1 (based on my calculations, Swans lose all points, go to the end of the draft for their 2nd pick of this draft, and are still over 200 points in deficit for 2016). Not that opponents 'care' as such (picking Mills early only punishes Sydney; it doesn't help them) but simple competitiveness (coupled with the fact that Mills is simply a bloody good player that any club would be happy to have) means that when a competitor has put themselves in a position of weakness, it might be hard to resist kicking them. Whereas if Sydney had accumulated the same points that it now has access to, but by picking up 3rd-and-4th-round picks while still leaving its first-rounder intact, it would have a meaningful fallback position to retreat to?and other clubs would know it.

                      On the other hand, and with reference to another thread on this site: there is no basis to be accusing anyone of anything, but given the massive points difference between picks 3 and 6 (equivalent to the difference between pick 18 and pick 36) and the identity of the clubs that control picks 3, 4 and 5, it is certainly interesting that there's a guy at Melbourne who (IIRC) has some vague association with the Swans, and the Dons have in the exchange period picked up a useful Sydney player for almost literally nothing. The Dons in particular are (if Melbourne doesn't select Mills at 3) able to 'gift' Sydney 283 points, for no cost to them and really no care factor for them. We will see.

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                      • iigrover
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 245

                        #41
                        I wonder if any other clubs would draft Lachie Keeffe or Josh Thomas with a Rookie draft pick before the Pies were able to.

                        Magpie duo Keeffe and Thomas eligible to play again in February, 2017 - AFL.com.au

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                        • 707
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6204

                          #42
                          Just had some good news, got tickets for the National Draft here in Adelaide.

                          Getting my best yelling voice ready in case Mills is vexatiously bid on before pick 4 :-) Will get kicked out, but worth it if it gets picked up by the broadcast.

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                          Originally posted by iigrover
                          I wonder if any other clubs would draft Lachie Keeffe or Josh Thomas with a Rookie draft pick before the Pies were able to.

                          Magpie duo Keeffe and Thomas eligible to play again in February, 2017 - AFL.com.au
                          Only Brisbane, as they are Qld boys. Think Gold Coast has had a gutful of drugs!

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            #43
                            I notice the Melbourne recruiting manager on todays AFL website mentions who they ''may" be looking at with pick 3 and says they will make a decision shortly. Didn't mention Mills in his wrap up, did mention midfielder Darcy Parish who he says couldn't have done any more over the last two years to stake his claim.

                            So are we to now assume that a bid on Mills at pick 3 would indeed be a vexatious bid?

                            Draft night will be interesting, particularly from my seat in the audience :-)

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                            • Pmcc2911
                              Regular in the Side
                              • May 2013
                              • 516

                              #44
                              Melbourne did say "they will take the best available", whatever that means

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                              • wolftone57
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 5854

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Conor_Dillon
                                Matthew Wright just delisted by the Crows,

                                Played 16 games this year, averaged 23 touches and 8 tackles, only 25 y.o.

                                Could be a handy depth player and I'd assume would come very cheaply - maybe worth a shot on the rookie list?

                                This is the sort of player we should be looking for as depth. He is fast and a good crumber.

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