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  • ernie koala
    Senior Player
    • May 2007
    • 3251

    #91
    Originally posted by wolftone57
    What kind of contest is this Ernie? GWS when they beat us, twice, have done it with outside run. they have used their pace and running game to dismantle us because on both those days we didn't have runners capable of shutting them down. Is Benny going to be able to shut their runners down? Hope so but... He certainly is not going to provide a contest in the air, which Towers can do, and Papley is now our designated small forward. Benny is good in and under but we have so many of his type who are much better players (they can actually kick a footy) it seems we are going back down the sameness road. I hope it doesn't backfire.
    The type of contest I described in my post??.....High intensity, high pressure, and very physical....

    The way to shut down their outside run, is to win the contested ball, and apply full on pressure when they have it....easier said than done I know.

    The reason GWS beat us so convincingly in the NAB cup was because they were harder at it, won the contested footy, and they applied more pressure...

    The outside run stems from that.

    As I said in a later post, Benny has done some excellent shut down roles in the past, I suspect the Swans have a particular match up for him..We'll see.
    Last edited by ernie koala; 8 April 2016, 10:16 AM.
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    • crackedactor
      Regular in the Side
      • May 2012
      • 919

      #92
      Originally posted by Untamed Snark
      Me either to be honest
      But I have to assume the club knows what they are doing
      I Agree, thought Towers was OK last week and he is unlucky to have been dropped.

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      • Mug Punter
        On the Rookie List
        • Nov 2009
        • 3325

        #93
        Originally posted by TheDaneTrain
        I think towers was the first out based on the first 2 rounds. Just not sure anyone in that side deserved to be dropped.
        I think Towers is dreadfully unlucky but it's a long season and he'll get plenty of senior opportunities, I see it as a positive for our squad depth at this point that someone who actually played quite well last week gets dropped. To be honest I think it also has a lot to do with how we want to man up against GWS and it's an indicator how we want to take the game to them

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        • RogueSwan
          McVeigh for Brownlow
          • Apr 2003
          • 4602

          #94
          I was just thinking this week who is our tagger/stopper, this teams Crouch or Kirk? Do we not need one? I think there is still a place for this type of footballer. Is Benny our tagger? Mitchell was playing a role similar to this when he first got into the seniors but seems to have gone past that role. I think BJ has been given a chance to play this role but hadn't worked out.
          Is Benny our stopper? I'd that why he is in the team?

          BTW McGlynn is actually a pretty competitive mark. I am regularly surprised by the marks he takes, when playing.

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          • ugg
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            • Jan 2003
            • 15961

            #95
            You're right we don't really play with a tagger any more but if we need someone to shut down an opposing player that job still often goes to Tom Mitchell. In the future it might be Robinson who played a run with role for the majority of last year in the NEAFL and was quite effective.
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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #96
              GWS look less potent on the ball without Treloar. If there are any tags, there should be one on Shaw, as so much of their transition from defence goes through him. I would also give Lloyd a role of putting a soft tag on Scully, who has been their most dangerous runner so far.

              In the Melbourne game, Max Gawn was happy to take on Mummy and nullified his influence. But the Geelong ruckmen weren't willing to compete with him, and that was the big difference in that game. One of the reasons I was against chasing Zac Smith is his lack of competitiveness at times. He was intimidated by Mummy. That won't happen with Tippo. Hopefully Sinclair will give him a challenge as well.

              Rory Lobb has been a useful target up forward and on the wing for GWS. He's pretty hard to stop because of his height, but I think you can run him hard and tire him out. Patton doesn't look to have much chase in him either. We should be able to move the ball out of defence fairly easily, especially late in quarters.

              Although they beat us handily in the NAB Challenge, I haven't been all that impressed with their 1st couple of games this year. But they are a talented side and we will have to be on our toes. If we continue to play like the past 2 weeks, we should win comfortably.

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                #97
                Originally posted by Doctor
                This week's RWO Nostradamus award winner!!
                Ernie also did a great job picking the round 1 team nearly perfectly too, and well before the game happened. Will watch your future predictions with great interest and respect.

                An interesting little point that I noticed: at the end of the short video on the Swans website about team selection, they have posted the team list which is slightly different to the one they ultimately went with - and Hewett was excluded in favour of Marsh! I wonder if this is just a stuff up or whether Marsh did in fact come very close to being selected for his debut? If the latter, I think and hope he'll be given another opportunity in the not too distant future. That said, I am delighted they are persisting with Hewett and giving him a decent run.

                Can't wait for the footy to start. The week always drags between matches!
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                • liz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16736

                  #98
                  Marsh is on the rookie list, so would need to be promoted first.

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                  • stellation
                    scott names the planets
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 9718

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Ludwig
                    GWS look less potent on the ball without Treloar.
                    I've actually been a little surprised by how little the loss of Treloar looks to have impacted on them- Adam's an excellent player and a big loss, but they do seem like they're able to cover for it (which they'd want to be able to, I guess, with all those high draft picks!). I'm not sure if that's perhaps just a slightly skewed perception because they finished last season with Treloar but without Shiel, then have started this season with Shiel but without Treloar.
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                    • churry
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 238

                      Originally posted by stellation
                      I've actually been a little surprised by how little the loss of Treloar looks to have impacted on them- Adam's an excellent player and a big loss, but they do seem like they're able to cover for it (which they'd want to be able to, I guess, with all those high draft picks!). I'm not sure if that's perhaps just a slightly skewed perception because they finished last season with Treloar but without Shiel, then have started this season with Shiel but without Treloar.
                      Players such as Josh Kelly and Tom Scully (yes he is older) have stepped up in the first 2 rounds. They have a lot of depth in the mids.
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                      • 111431
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 697

                        Originally posted by Hartijon
                        Rotation policies don't work.When you are hot you're hot and you stay that way by playing.Having a rest can lead to loss of form.How many games did the Swans win after bye when it was in operation?McVeigh for Jones IMO as Jones is like a bull in a china shop and a turnover specialist
                        I would agree normally but I thought last wk he started to turn the cnr - will watch with interest tomorrow

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9718

                          Originally posted by churry
                          Players such as Josh Kelly and Tom Scully (yes he is older) have stepped up in the first 2 rounds. They have a lot of depth in the mids.
                          Yep, Kelly was one I was thinking of as showing a vast improvement- he's a wonderful player to watch, one of those gifted guys that just always seems to find a little more time than everyone else when he gets the ball in traffic. Scully has been just about the best outside mid in the comp for the first couple of rounds from the games I've seen.

                          Their depth of talent across the board really is remarkable.
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • Auntie.Gerald
                            Veterans List
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 6474

                            GWS used predominantly stacked rebound run in numbers footy for their defence and attack last game

                            i wonder what they stick to today ?

                            ours is definitely moving towards a hybrid of our traditional contested style and Hawthorns deadly accurate entries to one on one leads
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                            • barry
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8499

                              I read an article that said 10% of giants members are ex swans fans. A bad loss to them today could see a big shift in support in that direction. We are playing for more than 4 points

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                Originally posted by barry
                                I read an article that said 10% of giants members are ex swans fans. A bad loss to them today could see a big shift in support in that direction. We are playing for more than 4 points
                                Fans are so fickle these days. I hear the sudden surge in Swans' memberships came from converted Collingwood fans after their round 1 thumping.

                                Lucky we're not playing the Giants at ANZ where the chances of losing to them would be greater.

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