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  • AnnieH
    RWOs Black Sheep
    • Aug 2006
    • 11332

    #46
    Originally posted by Swanny40519
    Good on ya.

    We had some normal (disgusting Dawk supporters behind us as well).

    In a very tense last qtr when we actually received a couple of free kicks they went berserk and complained the umpires were favouring the Swans. I saw red and after that we had a few interesting verbal discussions on the ability of Mitchell and Hodge to get easy free kicks and the Dawk team in general how they get the easy free's.
    Unfortunately then Burgoyne and Rioli kicked a couple of goals and we went home very very frustrated and angry.
    I'm STILL angry.
    I just want to sit down in the corner and have a good cry.
    Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
    Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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    • RogueSwan
      McVeigh for Brownlow
      • Apr 2003
      • 4602

      #47
      Originally posted by crackedactor
      ... They need to be stand alone, unbias and totally professional and not open to any bribes, whether its money. gifts or just being a bunch of friendly guys.
      Give them a clear set of rules that don't need interpretation or understanding someone's intent.
      This would make it easier to officiate. This won't/can't happen so then we have to put up these guys (and gals) doing their best.
      Does anyone think the umpires took on this awful (I was going to say "thankless" but it is worse than that, as shown at games and even in this thread) to try and help out a team they support? Anyone on here want to be an umpire to even out the "Hawks biased" umpiring?
      It would actually be interesting to know why these guys wanted to become umpires and whether those reasons still stand. If I took it on, it would be because I want to see the game officiated in the most even, noninvasive way possible.
      Plus, it would be kinda cool to watch (and be paid for it) these incredible matches/athletes up close. Then again, the umps probably don't get to appreciate a game whilst they are in the middle of it.
      "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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      • Industrial Fan
        Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
        • Aug 2006
        • 3318

        #48
        Originally posted by Plugger46
        I thought they missed a few holding the ball decisions both ways. A couple of holds in marking contests could've gone our way. I don't like the 'protected area' rule but that's not an umpiring fault. The McGlynn was obvious and stupid.

        I don't think poor umpiring cost us victory. A lack of composure did.

        As for Longmire, he didn't give much away did he? Asked a direct question and he answered it by saying we were undisciplined. He may not have meant that but that's what he said.
        Despite the one armed umpiring we had every chance to win late and werent composed enough to hang on - I'll give you that.

        But the scores shouldnt have been close enough to matter.

        I still dont think McGlynn went over the mark to impede Ceglar he was trying to go to the runner in the protected area. What is the rule on that - I thought you could go into that area if tracking an opposition player?
        He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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        • KTigers
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2012
          • 2499

          #49
          I was very surprised that in three quarters of football, the "unsociable football" Hawthorn only infringed three times.
          I don't think the umps favour one team over another, but they are very inconsistent with their rulings.
          I find their inability to judge how far 15 metres is incredible. There were a number of kicks (including a couple of ours) last
          night that barely went half that distance, yet were called marks. This is kindergarten stuff, and some of these guys just have no
          idea whatsoever.

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          • Doctor
            Bay 29
            • Sep 2003
            • 2757

            #50
            Originally posted by Plugger46
            I thought they missed a few holding the ball decisions both ways. A couple of holds in marking contests could've gone our way. I don't like the 'protected area' rule but that's not an umpiring fault. The McGlynn was obvious and stupid.

            I don't think poor umpiring cost us victory. A lack of composure did.

            As for Longmire, he didn't give much away did he? Asked a direct question and he answered it by saying we were undisciplined. He may not have meant that but that's what he said.
            He was clearly being sarcastic. He is smart and composed enough to know that commenting further will just get him into trouble but he was clearly exasperated about the 50s and the free kick count.
            Today's a draft of your epitaph

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            • Doctor
              Bay 29
              • Sep 2003
              • 2757

              #51
              For what it's worth, I thought most of the free kicks the Hawks got in the 2nd quarter were there. They may have been 50/50 calls, but Hawthorn were first to the ball most of the time in that period and that usually gets you the call. The 50M against Jack was a disgraceful call though and is the one that probably turned the game back to them. McGlynn should also have been warned first as that is what happens most of the time. You could see the umpire waiting for him to do it, rather than officiating it on its merits.

              Yes the Lewis drop was bad, and other bits and pieces around the ground could have gone either way, but it's really those two 50s that stick in my craw. Having said all that, our second quarter was dismal and that's why we lost.
              Today's a draft of your epitaph

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              • barry
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                #52
                Despite 2 out of 18 teams coming from nsw, there are no AFL umpires from NSW or reside in NSW.

                Almost impossible for us to understand or form a relationship with them.

                AFL Umpires Profiles - M.afl.com.au

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                • jono2707
                  Goes up to 11
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 3326

                  #53
                  Originally posted by barry
                  Despite 2 out of 18 teams coming from nsw, there are no AFL umpires from NSW or reside in NSW.

                  Almost impossible for us to understand or form a relationship with them.

                  AFL Umpires Profiles - M.afl.com.au
                  We need an academy!

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                  • KTigers
                    Senior Player
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 2499

                    #54
                    Basically the AFL has decreed that the umpires can't be questioned regardless of how incompetent they are, so there is no real pressure on them (the umpires) to improve. It's their job, they are getting paid (ultimately by us, the fans), why can't they handle a bit of criticism?. It happens in other workplaces, if you mess up, you'll likely cop some heat for it. Maybe the umpires could actually learn something from the criticism. Even basic stuff, like how far 15 metres is....

                    Originally posted by Doctor
                    He was clearly being sarcastic. He is smart and composed enough to know that commenting further will just get him into trouble but he was clearly exasperated about the 50s and the free kick count.

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                    • crackedactor
                      Regular in the Side
                      • May 2012
                      • 919

                      #55
                      For what it is worth, a news item just came through saying that the AFL rules committee admitted that the 50 meter penalty against Kieran Jack was a mistake!! Does us a lot of good now.

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                      • penga
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2601

                        #56
                        To be fair, I thought the worst decisions of the night actually favoured us. McGlynn being slung, and Grundy taking out Cyril in a marking contest, with no eyes for the ball.

                        McGlynn's 50 was warranted, and just plain dumb, from a seasoned player.
                        C'mon Chels!

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                        • AnnieH
                          RWOs Black Sheep
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 11332

                          #57
                          Originally posted by crackedactor
                          For what it is worth, a news item just came through saying that the AFL rules committee admitted that the 50 meter penalty against Kieran Jack was a mistake!! Does us a lot of good now.
                          Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.
                          Bastards.
                          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                          • crackedactor
                            Regular in the Side
                            • May 2012
                            • 919

                            #58
                            Originally posted by penga
                            To be fair, I thought the worst decisions of the night actually favoured us. McGlynn being slung, and Grundy taking out Cyril in a marking contest, with no eyes for the ball.

                            McGlynn's 50 was warranted, and just plain dumb, from a seasoned player.
                            Have we got several hawthorn supporters on this forum! Hodge performed a sling tackle on Sinclair and then Mcglynn. The following is an extract from the AFL website:

                            The AFL will crack down on sling tackles this year, paying free kicks for lifting tackles even before a player is dumped into the ground.

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                            • dimelb
                              pr. dim-melb; m not f
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 6889

                              #59
                              Penalty against Sydney Swans' Kieren Jack was a mistake, says AFL lawmaker
                              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                              • stevoswan
                                Veterans List
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 8560

                                #60
                                Originally posted by jono2707
                                Geez I thought us Swans fans were better than whining and moaning about umpiring but apparently not. We didn't deserve to win that game last night and to blame umpiring 'conspiracies' is pathetic.
                                Are you blind or just PC? Sorry Jono, to not see last nights injustice is 'pathetic'.......

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