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  • 0918330512
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2011
    • 1654

    Originally posted by Matt79
    Except our average team age is lower than GWS now
    For all is grumpy-old-man negativity, Barry never specifically said we were old or slow - the way I read his post was GWS would slaughter old slow teams like North & the Hawks.

    They may also beat us. Of the subset of teams that Barry thinks GWS will slaughter, old, slow teams could be mutually exclusive from the Swans

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    • barry
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 8499

      Average age is a BS stat. Median age would be far more useful.

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      • bloodsbigot
        Regular in the Side
        • Mar 2010
        • 813

        Originally posted by barry
        Average age is a BS stat. Median age would be far more useful.
        What's our median age?

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        • AnnieH
          RWOs Black Sheep
          • Aug 2006
          • 11332

          Seriously wasn't expecting to be first on the ladder six weeks ago.
          The view from up here is pretty good.
          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            Originally posted by bloodsbigot
            What's our median age?
            It looks like 24y 7m compared to 25y 2m average age for the side that played Saturday. I think our club age demographic looks good once you go past Buddy and Tippo.

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            • Industrial Fan
              Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
              • Aug 2006
              • 3318

              What's the mode age?
              He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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              • dejavoodoo44
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2015
                • 8731

                Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                What's the mode age?
                It's the brief, little known period between the stone age and the bronze age; where they made really nice things out of plaster of paris and silk.

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                • KTigers
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 2499

                  I'm pretty sure that's when Richmond won their last premiership.

                  Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                  It's the brief, little known period between the stone age and the bronze age; where they made really nice things out of plaster of paris and silk.

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                  • jono2707
                    Goes up to 11
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 3326

                    Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                    What's the mode age?
                    Not sure but the often forgotten MO'D age was between 2008 and 2010.

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                    • neilfws
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 1835

                      Originally posted by bloodsbigot
                      What's our median age?
                      So glad you asked. First question: for which group of players? I'd suggest we use all players who've played in a senior game this year. To date, 651 players from the 18 teams, 34 from the Swans.

                      Behold the "violin plot", where the shape of the orange blob gives you some idea of age distribution. GWS for example have a young bulge near the lower end, whereas North tapers up to Brent Harvey.

                      playerAge2016.png

                      Our median age is 23.7 years. This is below the league median (black dashed line) of 24.4 years. The range is 22.3 years (Brisbane) up to 26.2 years (West Coast).

                      Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                      What's the mode age?
                      It's funny how mode is the one everyone remembers from high school stats, and the least useful But since you ask, 23 years for the Swans (5 players currently).

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                      • Triple B
                        Formerly 'BBB'
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6999

                        If you look at that graph for any length of time it becomes very 3D, the black dots and dotted line appear to come away from the screen.

                        Either that or I need to have that mushroom salad for lunch again tomorrow...
                        Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                        • crackedactor
                          Regular in the Side
                          • May 2012
                          • 919

                          Originally posted by bloodsbigot
                          Why?

                          Cheathorn are our biggest threat, therefore, them having to play an elimination final and possibly get knocked out in the first round works in our favour big-time.

                          We can also finish 2nd and still get two home finals.

                          Quite frankly, I'd rather play Geelong or Adelaide first up rather than Umpirethorn.
                          I was originally excited about finishing 1st/2nd until I hear about the Bye. Which could mean if we win our first Finals game we will have played 1 game in 3 weeks! Given our poor post-Bye record, I believe this is a bit worry!! I am not sure how Horse and the team are going to overcome this problem?

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            Great graph neilfws. You must have a fantastic player database. Do you have to subscribe to Champion Data or something like that?

                            BTW, i'm working on a product comparison review of condoms and was wondering if I could use your graph free of copyright.

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                            • CureTheSane
                              Carpe Noctem
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 5032

                              Originally posted by neilfws
                              So glad you asked. First question: for which group of players? I'd suggest we use all players who've played in a senior game this year. To date, 651 players from the 18 teams, 34 from the Swans.

                              Behold the "violin plot", where the shape of the orange blob gives you some idea of age distribution. GWS for example have a young bulge near the lower end, whereas North tapers up to Brent Harvey.

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                              Our median age is 23.7 years. This is below the league median (black dashed line) of 24.4 years. The range is 22.3 years (Brisbane) up to 26.2 years (West Coast).



                              It's funny how mode is the one everyone remembers from high school stats, and the least useful But since you ask, 23 years for the Swans (5 players currently).
                              Wow, look at GWS.
                              Brisbane isn't really relevant as they are going to probably lose the bulk of their skilled youngsters...
                              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                              • bloodspirit
                                Clubman
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 4448

                                Great graph, Neil! Very interesting. To me it shows:

                                * Geelong's time is now! (Doesn't mean they will win but, thanks especially to their last trade season, they have invested heavily in the next couple of flag tilts and risk falling away afterwards - or not.)
                                * If GWS isn't (aren't?) scary good already, they are going to be amazing (but I guess we already knew that)
                                * West Coast's age profile is the most worrying of the lot - so little investment in youth. Fremantle is next oldest (maybe - I suppose the averages may be different to the medians) but better off because they have a much more even spread of ages (pity for them they don't have more talent on their list). I guess that means the Eagles time is now too. Only it doesn't seem like it is going to be a golden age.

                                I think our main rival for the flag is Adelaide; I have rated them ever since they beat us is in that excellent game at Adelaide earlier this season where I was expecting we would beat them but instead was left very impressed by their game. Don Pyke has had a very impressive debut year and they will be in the finals up to their eyeballs. I am quite happy with the prospect of playing Hawks week 1. Gives us a chance to have revenge on them (and I think we deserve favouritism) but, if we lose, we're not out and can bounce back. Likewise, if we and Adelaide win home QFs week 1 of finals, I reckon we're a great chance of beating our PF opponent. And if all that goes to plan, I'll be very buoyant about our flag prospects!!
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