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  • The Big Cat
    On the veteran's list
    • Apr 2006
    • 2356

    #31
    This little clip says it all

    The Final Quarter — Sydney Film Festival
    Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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    • Kafka's Ghost
      Regular in the Side
      • Sep 2017
      • 903

      #32
      Originally posted by erica
      No-one will remember Gill in a few years. Adam will be remembered for many years. I am privileged for having seen him represent our club.
      Great post, Erica. I too feel privileged to have witnessed Adam Goodes’ entire career, including those Reserves games played at the SCG. I recall ringing my late dad, a complete Bloods tragic, and telling him with enthusiasm of “this young guy who will be a star”. Even my wildest imagination couldn’t envisage the star and legend he would become. It is to the shame of the Australian football public, and public in general, that such a storied career ended the way it did. A comment on the article in today’s SMH showed that we have a very long path to tread. Not so much that there are racist fools who espouse such disgusting ideas, but that the moderator thought it was an appropriate comment to print. Yes, a long way indeed.

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      • KSAS
        Senior Player
        • Mar 2018
        • 1790

        #33
        Eddie making the Goodes docos about himself! McGuire said he had told Goodes and producers of the films that he wants to be "part of the solution and not to be part of the problem".

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16770

          #34
          Originally posted by KSAS
          Eddie making the Goodes docos about himself! McGuire said he had told Goodes and producers of the films that he wants to be "part of the solution and not to be part of the problem".
          https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...16-p51o58.html
          I don't have an issue with those comments from Maguire. Indeed, I think they are positive. Not having seen the film, it's hard to know for sure, but I suspect that those who still harbour a negative attitude towards Goodes, and consider him largely responsible for the circumstances in which he retired are unlikely to be persuaded otherwise by a film that represents the story as it unfolded. I hope I am wrong, and that sufficient time has past for at least some people to see the events in a different light. Maguire asking people to watch the film with an open mind surely has to be a good thing.

          Nor do I see him saying he wants to be part of the solution as making it about himself. Everyone needs to be part of the solution.

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          • KSAS
            Senior Player
            • Mar 2018
            • 1790

            #35
            All well & good what Eddie has said above and they are indeed positive for the better, but even though he has apologised I'm not sure if he has ever admitted he was wrong with both his King Kong gaffe & Goodes War dance commentary. His apologies always contained the caveat "if I caused any offence etc..."

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            • Kumarangk
              Warming the Bench
              • May 2015
              • 151

              #36
              Dark day indeed for Australian sport and society in general. It is the " ïm not a racist'" crowd that operate "casual racism" that need to be informed and educated. You will never educate out and out racist's , just isolate them better.

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              • Blue Sun
                Senior Player
                • May 2010
                • 1440

                #37
                Fantastic article by Caroline Wilson.

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                • Markwebbos
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 7186

                  #38
                  Why doesn’t the club put on a screening of the film?

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                  • dimelb
                    pr. dim-melb; m not f
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 6889

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Blue Sun
                    Fantastic article by Caroline Wilson.

                    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...17-p51oec.html
                    Thanks Blue Sun - a very readable article. And I don't mind seeing Caroline revisiting McGuire's contribution. Of course, she has her own criticism about Eddie, part of which bears out KSAS's comments above.
                    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                    • Blood Fever
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4048

                      #40
                      Originally posted by liz
                      I don't have an issue with those comments from Maguire. Indeed, I think they are positive. Not having seen the film, it's hard to know for sure, but I suspect that those who still harbour a negative attitude towards Goodes, and consider him largely responsible for the circumstances in which he retired are unlikely to be persuaded otherwise by a film that represents the story as it unfolded. I hope I am wrong, and that sufficient time has past for at least some people to see the events in a different light. Maguire asking people to watch the film with an open mind surely has to be a good thing.

                      Nor do I see him saying he wants to be part of the solution as making it about himself. Everyone needs to be part of the solution.
                      Noble thoughts Liz but doubt that the megalomaniac's intention is totally honourable. He is scared about his reputation and neither Adam nor the Swans don't need him to be front and centre playing the hero.

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                      Originally posted by Blood Fever
                      Noble thoughts Liz but doubt that the megalomaniac's intention is totally honourable. He is scared about his reputation and neither Adam nor the Swans don't need him to be front and centre playing the hero.
                      Delete the word 'don't' from the above

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                      • KTigers
                        Senior Player
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 2499

                        #41
                        As per usual Eddie is making this all about him. He just can't help himself, it's like an addiction. He says he wants to
                        be "part of the solution". Oh, brother. At his usual rate of putting his foot in his mouth, I'd expect his next clanger to
                        come some time before the end of June.

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                        • Ocker
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 45

                          #42
                          Thanks all for keeping this issue before us. I have booked tickets.

                          Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

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                          • Mel_C
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 4470

                            #43
                            It's a shame we can't see this in Melbourne. Although I'll probably be fuming while watching it.

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                            • liz
                              Veteran
                              Site Admin
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 16770

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Mel_C
                              It's a shame we can't see this in Melbourne. Although I'll probably be fuming while watching it.
                              I have a feeling it will have a life well beyond the Sydney Film Festival, given the attention it is attracting. I hope so because I won't be able to attend the festival to watch it.

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                              • Velour&Ruffles
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Jun 2006
                                • 897

                                #45
                                Originally posted by liz
                                I don't have an issue with those comments from Maguire. Indeed, I think they are positive. Not having seen the film, it's hard to know for sure, but I suspect that those who still harbour a negative attitude towards Goodes, and consider him largely responsible for the circumstances in which he retired are unlikely to be persuaded otherwise by a film that represents the story as it unfolded. I hope I am wrong, and that sufficient time has past for at least some people to see the events in a different light. Maguire asking people to watch the film with an open mind surely has to be a good thing.

                                Nor do I see him saying he wants to be part of the solution as making it about himself. Everyone needs to be part of the solution.
                                I think this is one of those cases where the truth is probably somewhere in between.

                                I have no doubt that Eddie is motivated, in very large part (at least), by motives of self-preservation - not to mention self-justification and perhaps even self-glorification. He may be many things but he isn't actually stupid. He's sniffing the wind and is astute enough to know that he is currently on the wrong side of history. Put bluntly, he looks like a dick on the Goodes issue and he wants to do some pre-emptive repair work. Manoeuvring himself over to the right side of history is certainly in Eddie's self-interest.

                                That said, just because it's in his self-interest doesn't necessarily mean that he's trying to make it all about him. Being clear about where he stands (now) is probably enough for his selfish purposes. But I do absolutely agree with Liz's analysis that him making these comments is actually a positive overall for both the issue and for Adam, for all the reasons she says.

                                Ultimately, I see it as a win-win. There may be some of us (me included) who don't like the idea of him having a win at all ..... but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. His comments are overall a net positive and may be quite powerful with his considerable constituency.
                                My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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