Footy lingo - especially for newbies

[56-14]

Any posters see Ken Boyd in action?
"Flag Flyer" or just a tough b...... ?

[Nico]

I saw him when I was fairly young. I was at Carlton ground when knocked out John Nicholls and at Collingwood when he went toe to toe with "Hooker" Harrison. Kenny was more likely to be the aggressor in an era when the likes of Carlton and Colingwood had outright thugs. A rarity at South. The story goes that in his first Under 19's game playing in the ruck, he left a trail of bodies in his wake as the ball moved up and down the ground. Off the field he became a respected insurance agent and manager for National Mutual. I think he suffered white line fever, or what may have been an intense dislike for some of the dogs of the game. Before the Nicholls incident I recall he was seen as tough but fair for the times. Nicholls kicked him in the family jewels at a centre bounce and he chased him to the forward pocket, knocking him out and I think fracturing his skull. He wasn't reported but I believe Sun journalist Kevin Hogan lagged him in an article, the VFL called an inquiry and he got 12 weeks. A travesty because the trail was cold. Most reporting at the time was heavily slanted to Carlton, Collingwood, Melbourne and Essendon. He feared no one.

[bloodspirit]

Another one I was fuzzy on: a 'Joe the Goose' goal.

I found this definition on the web: A Joe the Goose is a handball over the top of an opponent's flailing arms to a teammate who is standing on his own in the goal square. The teammate then casually turns around and pops it through for the easiest of goals.

So, a subset of the goals 'out the back' or 'over the top'. Does everyone agree this is what a Joe the Goose goal is? Any idea where the expression comes from? Nico?

[bloodspirit]

Can someone explain what is a 'power forward'? How are they different to a 'full forward' or even a centre half forward, all of whom are tall forward positions. CHF plays higher than FF and is presumably more mobile and better at leading? Whereas I think the FF is the burly beast (like BBBBH or Plugger) and good at winning the ball one on one and, perhaps, out marking their direct opponent. But the 'power forward' loses me and often seems to be referred to as distinct from the others.

Just having a quick look on Wikipedia and I get the impression that a power forward can be either FF or CHF and they specialise in crashing packs.

[Bloods05]

Your last paragraph sums it up. It's just a big powerful guy who plays forward and uses his size and physicality to outmuscle opponents. Can be FF, can be CHF. People like Gunston and Westhoff are marking forwards, but not power forwards. Plugger was the archetypal power forward. Others would be Jonathan Brown, Wayne Carey, Taylor Walker and Travis Cloke. Sam Reid is not one yet, but looking at the size he has put on he might just move into that category in the next year or two.

[dimelb]

I don't know whether there is an official or semi-official definition, but I think of the power forward as the very desirable combination of size and speed, especially over the first 20-30 metres. Other desirable attributes include strong safe hands and timing the run. Plugger would have to be about the best of all time, as one of our members reminds us; others would include Baz as you mentioned, Alastair Lynch, Tom Hawkins and others of that ilk.

[Nico]

Another one I was fuzzy on: a 'Joe the Goose' goal.

I found this definition on the web: A Joe the Goose is a handball over the top of an opponent's flailing arms to a teammate who is standing on his own in the goal square. The teammate then casually turns around and pops it through for the easiest of goals.

So, a subset of the goals 'out the back' or 'over the top'. Does everyone agree this is what a Joe the Goose goal is? Any idea where the expression comes from? Nico?

Joe the goose is a modern term. Tim Watson uses it a bit. I think the first person I heard say it was Robert Walls. No idea of the origin of the term.

[Nico]

Can someone explain what is a 'power forward'? How are they different to a 'full forward' or even a centre half forward, all of whom are tall forward positions. CHF plays higher than FF and is presumably more mobile and better at leading? Whereas I think the FF is the burly beast (like BBBBH or Plugger) and good at winning the ball one on one and, perhaps, out marking their direct opponent. But the 'power forward' loses me and often seems to be referred to as distinct from the others.

Just having a quick look on Wikipedia and I get the impression that a power forward can be either FF or CHF and they specialise in crashing packs.

Again, this a modern term. I can't ever recall hearing it in earlier decades. I think some of these terms are said on TV and get perpetuated. I think it started around the end of Jonathon Brown's career.

[YvonneH]

Is Buddy a 'power' forward or a 'mobile' forward?

[aguy]

Is Buddy a 'power' forward or a 'mobile' forward?

Neither. Buddy is unique.

[YvonneH]

Neither. Buddy is unique.

Great answer aguy

[bloodspirit]

+ 1

[Nico]

Is Buddy a 'power' forward or a 'mobile' forward?

I think he is a mobile forward. Not a great contested mark which is usually the hallmark of a power forward. Moves around a heck of a lot more than Brown. Although agile for his frame, Plugger was a true full forward playing from the square.

[bloodspirit]

Here's another couple:

* kickchaser (recently mentioned because Cornes called the Richmond midfield "kickchasers") - I presume this means selfishly oriented players who are just focused on getting their stats up but not doing the right thing by the team, working defensively, and probably not using the ball that damagingly when they do get it?

* 'running the lines' - I read Dermott Brereton said that Jordan Lewis does not do this: Jordan Lewis? Hawthorn days numbered, Melbourne, Demons, AFL, fixture | Fox Sports. Does he mean "run and break lines" do you think? If not, what does he mean?

[Bloods05]

Here's another couple:

* kickchaser (recently mentioned because Cornes called the Richmond midfield "kickchasers") - I presume this means selfishly oriented players who are just focused on getting their stats up but not doing the right thing by the team, working defensively, and probably not using the ball that damagingly when they do get it?

* 'running the lines' - I read Dermott Brereton said that Jordan Lewis does not do this: Jordan Lewis? Hawthorn days numbered, Melbourne, Demons, AFL, fixture | Fox Sports. Does he mean "run and break lines" do you think? If not, what does he mean?

Dermie means 'this makes me sound cool and knowledgeable, I don't care if it doesn't mean anything'.