WTF?

[Jonesy94]

I hope the GF altercation was untrue but you never know for sure. The rumour is Tippett had a punch on with Mcglynn (I believe) on a comment Tippett made about going on Holidays which upset several players. Things are still tense and that is why Tippett will not be playing for a few weeks. When a team plays like it did last week, these rumours WILL start.!

Yeah thats what I heard. But I heard it was a semi all in, like a few other players wanted to have a crack at tippett and some of the coaching staff had to intervene and stop it.

I have been amongst bad blood at work with some dev teams and tbh on Saturday it reminded me a lot of the times i have been in those environments where no one talks to each other, people do what they have to do get the job done and then go home at the end of the day. No bonding and theres tension with lots of little groups gossiping and bitching. Always ended effecting the environment with it boiling over.

I can understand if some of the players are still broken from 2 GF and i can understand injury, but a team does not go from having a close bond on and off the field, playing a GF with an inexperienced side compared to our last GF a few years earlier to just being an empty carcass in less than 6 months.

Kirk must be working overtime trying to keep the peace if @@@@s bad.

[neilfws]

I thought this article had some interesting snippets of information:

Josh Kennedy: Sydney Swans failed to protect Callum Mills against Carlton

For example:

as coach John Longmire had explained to Kennedy and his predecessors Kieren Jack and Jarrad McVeigh last December when he summoned the three to a meeting and delivered the surprising news that he was changing the captaincy.

I'd be surprised if that's how it happened. I'd have thought player discussion and voting were the normal way. Still, I get a general sense of discontent and internal issues from the article.

[aardvark]

No excuses for Swans: Richards

Teddy has a bit to say.....

[Meg]

No excuses for Swans: Richards

Teddy has a bit to say.....

Ted says "there is no excuse" for the poor start to the season - and then gives several very rational reasons.

It's just a matter of language but makes a good headline.

[Markwebbos]

I thought this article had some interesting snippets of information:

Josh Kennedy: Sydney Swans failed to protect Callum Mills against Carlton

I get a general sense of discontent and internal issues from the article.

I strongly believe that the discontent and internal issues are largely a product of being 0-6 rather than the other way round. The article alludes to this:

'The three-time and reigning club champion, fresh from an unscheduled meeting with his coaches on Tuesday ... Kennedy ... admitted that the mounting losses had battered the confidence of the Swans' on-field leaders and that malaise had spread across the team. "The guys that have carried us for a long period of time are down on confidence," he said... "The difficult thing is when you can see guys trying really hard and not finding any solution"'

[Meg]

I strongly believe that the discontent and internal issues are largely a product of being 0-6 rather than the other way round. The article alludes to this'

I agree. I think it is a misreading of that article to think it suggests otherwise. If anything, it is an article about Kennedy reflecting on his evolving leadership style and on his and the team's need to be more responsible and cohesive.

[Ludwig]

I feel that the loss of confidence in the players this year is mainly due to not having Tom Derickx around anymore.

First, the boys are worried who the new whipping boy will be now that Tom is not with the club.

Second, the players felt that even if they couldn't have a beautiful new girlfriend every week, they were still much better football players, and went out every week to prove this point. Now they have nothing to prove.

[stevoswan]

I feel that the loss of confidence in the players this year is mainly due to not having Tom Derickx around anymore.

First, the boys are worried who the new whipping boy will be now that Tom is not with the club.

Second, the players felt that even if they couldn't have a beautiful new girlfriend every week, they were still much better football players, and went out every week to prove this point. Now they have nothing to prove.

[dimelb]

Paul Roos has an idea about our problems:

Former Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos links decline to Buddy Franklin's signing

[Faunac8]

Paul Roos has an idea about our problems:

Former Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos links decline to Buddy Franklin's signing

We all have ideas about our decline but saying so after the decline isn't insightful it's almost spiteful. Predict a decline and you deserve to be respected saying I told you so or stating the obvious is cheap publicity. I would have hoped a genuine Swans legend would be more circumspect

[Faunac8]

Show me any tipster who picked our 2017 demise and the resulting 0-6 and I will gladly follow their footy tips for the rest of the season even if they tip against us. ??

[Jonesy94]

Paul Roos has an idea about our problems:

Former Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos links decline to Buddy Franklin's signing

Looks like Roos has fallen into the "gotcha" thinking that seems to be clouding all the footy experts from the deep south. Its all Franklins fault now because when we signed him, all the bozos with hate boners where predicting our downfall and they were proven wrong with 2 GF appearances and a consistent top 4 finish since he arrived.

But now at 0-6..yeah the experts knew all along.

Disappointed in Roos, thought he might have known better, but you know he comes across as a bit bitter cause he was one of the victims of buddy with his cushy job at the academy ending. Poor Roosy had to pick up his family and move interstate because he couldn't get a million $ gig to pay for his Sydney lifestyle. The respect for Roos has dwindled to almost nothing since he moved to melbourne and "waved his magic wand" at the demons and in the process reverted back to the VFL mentality.

[Hotpotato]

I've been wondering why another Swans star , an old mate of Roosey's has been punted from Fox : Barry Hall .

[liz]

Looks like Roos has fallen into the "gotcha" thinking that seems to be clouding all the footy experts from the deep south. Its all Franklins fault now because when we signed him, all the bozos with hate boners where predicting our downfall and they were proven wrong with 2 GF appearances and a consistent top 4 finish since he arrived.

But now at 0-6..yeah the experts knew all along.

Disappointed in Roos, thought he might have known better, but you know he comes across as a bit bitter cause he was one of the victims of buddy with his cushy job at the academy ending. Poor Roosy had to pick up his family and move interstate because he couldn't get a million $ gig to pay for his Sydney lifestyle. The respect for Roos has dwindled to almost nothing since he moved to melbourne and "waved his magic wand" at the demons and in the process reverted back to the VFL mentality.

Not sure about the bitterness part. Generally he's been speaking quite positively about the club (and I think he's back living in Sydney now - I passed him a few weeks ago on the Sydney coastal path near Bronte - he was out for a run; I was out for a walk!)

But I do think the view he's put forward is trite and tired, and reeks of someone guessing "the obvious" from outside the club. It's convenient for people to use to "explain". Of course, had Kennedy, Parker and Hanners been playing anywhere close to their "normal" form of the last few years, the club wouldn't be sitting on the bottom of the ladder, winless. I have no idea why their form has dropped off (other than Parker's lack of a pre-season) but I don't think it's got anything to do with Buddy's contract (even indirectly, ie the loss of Mitchell).

[Jonesy94]

Not sure about the bitterness part. Generally he's been speaking quite positively about the club (and I think he's back living in Sydney now - I passed him a few weeks ago on the Sydney coastal path near Bronte - he was out for a run; I was out for a walk!)

But I do think the view he's put forward is trite and tired, and reeks of someone guessing "the obvious" from outside the club. It's convenient for people to use to "explain". Of course, had Kennedy, Parker and Hanners been playing anywhere close to their "normal" form of the last few years, the club wouldn't be sitting on the bottom of the ladder, winless. I have no idea why their form has dropped off (other than Parker's lack of a pre-season) but I don't think it's got anything to do with Buddy's contract (even indirectly, ie the loss of Mitchell).

Perhaps he comes back and checks on his negatively geared property.

Its just the sheer arrogance to wait for this type of scenario as a gotcha moment. 6 rounds ago we were tipped to be premiers by the experts, but now?

Anyone who attends training, have you seen anything in the body language of players to suggest theres a rift? Like players who in the past were close now just give each other a passing glance? There are plenty of examples of teams that have gone to @@@@ because 1 or 2 players were creating a rift amongst the playing group. I hope this is not the case but i keep going back to last weekend and how there was no talk amongst the players and apart from some excited after goal celebrations from a few younger players the seniors looked over it.