Father/Son Vs Academy Choices

[Meg]

It is an absolute nonsense however what King is suggesting - why should who you are born to (the bollocks 'romance' factor) rule over where/who has paid for your development.

Totally agree with this. The 'romance' is a chance happening of male fecundity and genetics which should have nothing to do with the entitlements of the club for which the father played.

The AFL did away with the veterans allowance (which was an incentive based on the 'romance' of having one-club players). Time to forget F/S as well. An unpopular view I know.

[S.S. Bleeder]

King like Edie does not think that Victorian clubs have academies. They do its called the TAC Cup competition. Sure the players are not tied to clubs but they do get specialized training and exposure to the right way to go about being an AFL footballer and the Vic clubs don't have to pay anything for this not like the Northern clubs who foot most of their academy bills.
And I am a Victorian

They actually DO have academies:
Victorian clubs handed AFL funding for academies - AFL.com.au

The difference is that the AFL funds theirs.

[Meg]

They actually DO have academies:
Victorian clubs handed AFL funding for academies - AFL.com.au

The difference is that the AFL funds theirs.

Yes these are the Next Generation Academies (NGAs) Boddo talks about above.

I wait with interest for the debate once NGA priority picks start entering the draft from 2018. I suspect a few vocal opponents of the northern academies will change their position when their own clubs have a high potential NGA draftee available.

[Boddo]

They actually DO have academies:
Victorian clubs handed AFL funding for academies - AFL.com.au

The difference is that the AFL funds theirs.

Yeh but you will not hear the Melbourne boys club talk about this. It's all made out like the NGA are just few multicultural lads trying their hand at a foreign game when really if you scratch the surface is so far from that it's not funny.

[liz]

Yes these are the Next Generation Academies (NGAs) Boddo talks about above.

I wait with interest for the debate once NGA priority picks start entering the draft from 2018. I suspect a few vocal opponents of the northern academies will change their position when their own clubs have a high potential NGA draftee available.

Has anyone bothered to research exactly what is expected of the southern clubs with their NGAs? As we all know, the northern academies each provide training to around 500 boys each year, ranging in age from 11 to 19. Sure, an aim is to develop potential AFL level talent but those who do graduate are almost a by-product. Last year, when there was furore around some of the Giants' draft prospects, the AFL brought in rules that required clubs to demonstrate how much input they'd had into a player's development (like presenting their annual development programme to the AFL).

Will the NGAs operate the same way? Will they, too, provide additional development infrastructure to hundreds of boys who otherwise may not have participated? Or will they prove to just be a cherry-picking scheme, much the way as the NSW scholarship scheme operated?

One of the saddest bits of the snippet from OTC was when Brown observed how good the academies are for the game and King interrupted him to say that they aren't a positive for the AFL. This just goes to show that even someone like King, who gives an impression of being reasonably knowledgeable about the game, really has no idea about the development of players in the non-traditional states, or just refuses to acknowledge how far behind these states were before the academies were introduced.

[Boddo]

Has anyone bothered to research exactly what is expected of the southern clubs with their NGAs? As we all know, the northern academies each provide training to around 500 boys each year, ranging in age from 11 to 19. Sure, an aim is to develop potential AFL level talent but those who do graduate are almost a by-product. Last year, when there was furore around some of the Giants' draft prospects, the AFL brought in rules that required clubs to demonstrate how much input they'd had into a player's development (like presenting their annual development programme to the AFL).

Will the NGAs operate the same way? Will they, too, provide additional development infrastructure to hundreds of boys who otherwise may not have participated? Or will they prove to just be a cherry-picking scheme, much the way as the NSW scholarship scheme operated?

One of the saddest bits of the snippet from OTC was when Brown observed how good the academies are for the game and King interrupted him to say that they aren't a positive for the AFL. This just goes to show that even someone like King, who gives an impression of being reasonably knowledgeable about the game, really has no idea about the development of players in the non-traditional states, or just refuses to acknowledge how far behind these states were before the academies were introduced.

Will operate exactly like the NA except eligibility.

North's Next Generation Academy - NMFC.com.au

Tasmania's future footballers put through paces at North Melbourne's Next Generation Academy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

My son will be eligible when old enough for Freo's NGA. I have contacted them and everything except eligibility will be exactly like the NA's.

[Boddo]

Yes these are the Next Generation Academies (NGAs) Boddo talks about above.

I wait with interest for the debate once NGA priority picks start entering the draft from 2018. I suspect a few vocal opponents of the northern academies will change their position when their own clubs have a high potential NGA draftee available.

That's why Norfs mouthpiece King is going now because once the media train starts on this n gets going it's going to hard to slow down n impossible to turn around. But you'll hear bugger all about Thomas next year from the Melbourne boys club. In regards to 2018 I have read that nightmare who writes for espn and is on BF has rated Ethan Penrith as 1st rounder for 2017 in his phantom draft and a poster asked if he eligible for Carlton like the NA this year as he is In their NGA with nightmare confirming that he is eligible just like the NA. Not much said about that either.

[liz]

Will operate exactly like the NA except eligibility.

North's Next Generation Academy - NMFC.com.au

Tasmania's future footballers put through paces at North Melbourne's Next Generation Academy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

My son will be eligible when old enough for Freo's NGA. I have contacted them and everything except eligibility will be exactly like the NA's.

So they will be running programmes with several hundred boys, starting at age 11?

I don't have too much of an issue with an academy in Tasmania. It's not unlike the northern states, lacking the development pathways of Vic, SA and WA. I also support similar programmes in remote areas where there is limited infrastructure in place. I just don't understand how these interact in metropolitan areas where there are already well-trodden development paths, particularly after the removal from the Giants' zone of those areas already served by the TAC Cup system.

I am also a little uneasy about the idea of eligibility for a programme being based on someone's ethnic background.

[Boddo]

So they will be running programmes with several hundred boys, starting at age 11?

I don't have too much of an issue with an academy in Tasmania. It's not unlike the northern states, lacking the development pathways of Vic, SA and WA. I also support similar programmes in remote areas where there is limited infrastructure in place. I just don't understand how these interact in metropolitan areas where there are already well-trodden development paths, particularly after the removal from the Giants' zone of those areas already served by the TAC Cup system.

I am also a little uneasy about the idea of eligibility for a programme being based on someone's ethnic background.

In tassie the pathways are its just all very unorganised. I have family down there playing in the TSL development league. Thomas would make it with or without an academy. Plus I have no idea why they allow indigenous players from a city in tassie but not say Perth or Adelaide or even say Bunbury in WA. It's typical Melbourne BS. The ethnic thing is a joke. My son is eligible for the freo academy when old enough because the wife was born outside Australia but she moved here when 16. I played footy, my uncle played state footy, my whole family played footy. It's just so contradicting when you compare it to what they took away from GWS. I don't think people realise Darling, Johannisen & SPS would have been eligible for the freo academy. If you look at the other academy thread I've layed it out all there.

Team List AFL changes academy rules and shafts Giants and Swans

The NGA's will be run exactly like the NA's

[Boddo]

I'll also add like I did in the other thread. I'm not against the NGA's I'm against the hypocritical lies that come out of Melbourne.

[Billericay]

I'll also add like I did in the other thread. I'm not against the NGA's I'm against the hypocritical lies that come out of Melbourne.

Why doesn't the AFL pay for all the academies?

[Boddo]

Why doesn't the AFL pay for all the academies?

They have provided seed funding for the NGA's just like they did with the NA's. It's just that northern clubs have gone out n found more money from sponsors to improve the quality of the product provided to families and young players. I actually don't have any issue with how they have seed funded it all. Well run clubs like WCE, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Freo, PA & Adelaide will increase spending which will allow for an even better program for these young kids. It's the poor clubs like norf n the bravedogs who will later complain that's it's all unfair because other clubs spend more and provide better opportunities to there zoned area n then they will try n drag the competition back to their low level pass mark. Just like what happens now with a lot of things. A lot of credit also needs to be given to Port because they have provided an indigenous program for a number of years already.

[barracuda]

Why doesn't the AFL pay for all the academies?

They do in a sense. 50% of club revenue comes from the AFL TV deals. It would be easy to simply describe a part of this as for development.

I was very disappointed by Kings position. I thought he was more of a visionary, but he is not.

[Boddo]

They do in a sense. 50% of club revenue comes from the AFL TV deals. It would be easy to simply describe a part of this as for development.

I was very disappointed by Kings position. I thought he was more of a visionary, but he is not.

I honestly never once thought he was a visionary. He is a presenter now, never lasted in the coaching ranks. A true visionary would not survive in his type of environment as they would get identified early and weeded out. I honestly think it's a boys club with a few that sit on the edge but never go over. Brown did very well In this situation. He was very controlled and balanced it out but if he wanted to he could have totally embarrassed King.

[Ludwig]

The substance of the argument doesn't matter in the media. David King has managed to make himself the story. So he's succeeded in doing his job. Now other media outlets are writing stories about what King said, and other pundits are giving their opinions. It's not that much different to the Trump effect. Everyone is tuned in and waiting for his next idiotic remark. Ratings are shooting through the roof.

There are a lot of footy shows all pretty much talking about the same thing. They are all looking for a way to attract the most eyeballs.