2017 decline in one chart

[bloodspirit]

It's true that fantasy points are dependant of the role you play, ie mids get the highest scores and backs get the lowest scores. However, this is comparing individuals against their previous year. It should only be inaccurate if the player has changed position.

That's a fair point - at least you are comparing apples with apples. But there is a lot of stuff that fantasy points just don't take into account at all (it has an emphasis on goals, behinds, possessions, one per centers) but is not so good at looking at things like metres gained, the position on the ground where stuff happens etc.

[dejavoodoo44]

That's a fair point - at least you are comparing apples with apples. But there is a lot of stuff that fantasy points just don't take into account at all (it has an emphasis on goals, behinds, possessions, one per centers) but is not so good at looking at things like metres gained, the position on the ground where stuff happens etc.

Possibly the main things that fantasy points miss are accuracy and decision making. That is, kicks that miss a target, kicks that hit a dumb target and kicks that hit the best possible target, all receive the same points.

[liz]

Ugg's observation regarding Richmond and their total fantasy points this year compared to last (and compared to their relative ladder positions in each season) tells us how limited fantasy points are in assessing what is happening on field.

That said, we don't need any numerical measure to know that our core of gun midfielders have been down on performance compared to last year - Kennedy by a bit, Hanners regaining ground over the last month (even last week, he was not too far off his norm), Parker by a significant amount, which may or may not be due to having practically no pre-season (but almost certainly is) and Jack by dint of injury and now absence.

This group, together with Franklin, Reg/Smithy/Rampe down back, and, in the first half of the season, Tippo. carried the younger players last year. I think we've come to take for granted that these players can sustain such a high level of performance almost indefinitely. Most of them are trying but it's a tough ask. The good news is that help is emerging, with several of the newer brigade starting to show they can hold down more than just support roles, but it will take time before enough of them can do so enough of the time to relieve the pressure on the tried and tested warriors.

[The Runner]

Those stats don't tell anything of note. Fake news.

Pretty simple - a backline with no run or clean use, a slow midfield getting beaten up, and a sluggish forward line.

Nankervis left because Naismith was seen as a sure thing. He was elite the last 8-10 weeks last year, but nowhere in 2017.
Sinclair is a fairy.
Why are we all still waiting for Rohan to arrive? He's still on milk cartons after the 2014 GF.
Cunningham is as bland as communion bread.
Towers apparently gets lost on the way home from training 3 times a week.

This list is propped up by too few.

[MattW]

Ugg's observation regarding Richmond and their total fantasy points this year compared to last (and compared to their relative ladder positions in each season) tells us how limited fantasy points are in assessing what is happening on field.

That said, we don't need any numerical measure to know that our core of gun midfielders have been down on performance compared to last year - Kennedy by a bit, Hanners regaining ground over the last month (even last week, he was not too far off his norm), Parker by a significant amount, which may or may not be due to having practically no pre-season (but almost certainly is) and Jack by dint of injury and now absence.

This group, together with Franklin, Reg/Smithy/Rampe down back, and, in the first half of the season, Tippo. carried the younger players last year. I think we've come to take for granted that these players can sustain such a high level of performance almost indefinitely. Most of them are trying but it's a tough ask. The good news is that help is emerging, with several of the newer brigade starting to show they can hold down more than just support roles, but it will take time before enough of them can do so enough of the time to relieve the pressure on the tried and tested warriors.

I reckon Hannebery's last month has been at or near standard. For me, last week was downright heroic. Took the blow to the head and kept coming. I'm proud of the way he's fought back and happy for him.

[Faunac8]

Those stats don't tell anything of note. Fake news.

Pretty simple - a backline with no run or clean use, a slow midfield getting beaten up, and a sluggish forward line.

Nankervis left because Naismith was seen as a sure thing. He was elite the last 8-10 weeks last year, but nowhere in 2017.
Sinclair is a fairy.
Why are we all still waiting for Rohan to arrive? He's still on milk cartons after the 2014 GF.
Cunningham is as bland as communion bread.
Towers apparently gets lost on the way home from training 3 times a week.

This list is propped up by too few.

Please could you expand on your considered and in depth analysis of Sinclair ?

[Beerman]

Why are we all still waiting for Rohan to arrive? He's still on milk cartons after the 2014 GF.

Why do people play the lottery? Because the payoff is huge. There's no hope of winning, but if you do...

[The Runner]

Please could you expand on your considered and in depth analysis of Sinclair ?

A fairy is a mythical creature. One that you've heard about their abilities, but never actually seen it. They hate physical contact and make rather questionable decisions when under pressure.

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Why do people play the lottery? Because the payoff is huge. There's no hope of winning, but if you do...

Surely after 5+ years of no returns, you change over to having a slap on the pokies? At least Queen of the Nile pays back 90c in the dollar.

[CureTheSane]

All pretty much as expected except for Heeney and Papley who are doing better than I thought. Mills as well, as he is holding his ground at least.
Sinclair was really crap last year, so no surprise there.
Interesting whipping boy Towers is down on last year yet is being tolerated here, because he hasn't made a couple of mistakes at important times this year.

[dimelb]

All pretty much as expected except for Heeney and Papley who are doing better than I thought. Mills as well, as he is holding his ground at least.
Sinclair was really crap last year, so no surprise there.
Interesting whipping boy Towers is down on last year yet is being tolerated here, because he hasn't made a couple of mistakes at important times this year.

Sinclair has shown improvement. I hope there's more to come.

Towers has shown something of skill and courage many thought he didn't possess.

I'm happy for them both to keep going. If they are to be replaced their replacements will have to show cause.

[Ludwig]

Sinclair has shown improvement. I hope there's more to come.

Towers has shown something of skill and courage many thought he didn't possess.

I'm happy for them both to keep going. If they are to be replaced their replacements will have to show cause.

I frankly cannot see any circumstances, other than tanking, where I would play Sinclair again. Towers has improved and will need to continue to do so to hold his spot, if not this year, then next. But it is good to see him tackling better and playing more consistent footy.

[The Runner]

I frankly cannot see any circumstances, other than tanking, where I would play Sinclair again. Towers has improved and will need to continue to do so to hold his spot, if not this year, then next. But it is good to see him tackling better and playing more consistent footy.

He looked like a turnstile in a clutch moment against the Hawks. I've seen parking meters with more spatial awareness than him.

[S.S. Bleeder]

I reckon Hannebery's last month has been at or near standard. For me, last week was downright heroic. Took the blow to the head and kept coming. I'm proud of the way he's fought back and happy for him.

I agree. Hanners is currently where he should be. Parker is my concern, and he can't blame injury for his poor form.

[Aprilbr]

I've thought all season that Parker has been struggling physically. I think his knee issues have caught up with him. When was the last time we saw him really launch himself in the air for a high mark like we regularly saw a couple of years back? I just think the knees mean that he can no longer do that and it might have also robbed him of some vital speed.


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[CureTheSane]

Pretty sure he (unsuccessfully) launched for a mark last game.