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  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    #31
    Originally posted by Gary
    "He's good, but he's no Nick Davis" ... a bizarre comparison with a very different player ... Tom has probably already played more good / consistent games than Nick did in any 20/25 game span. One game rightly made Nick a hero forever but assuming fitness holds I see Tom as a greater contributor over the journey. Also I stand by "completely" different in comparing Tom and Max. Would be interested in the relative body size but Tom certainly seems shorter / stockier than I remember Max. Then again, memory can be a tricky thing over 50 years!
    I suspect that different approaches to gym work might account for some physical differences.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    • stellation
      scott names the planets
      • Sep 2003
      • 9718

      #32
      Originally posted by Gary
      "He's good, but he's no Nick Davis" ... a bizarre comparison with a very different player ... Tom has probably already played more good / consistent games than Nick did in any 20/25 game span. One game rightly made Nick a hero forever but assuming fitness holds I see Tom as a greater contributor over the journey.
      MONSTER!
      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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      • ROK Lobster
        RWO Life Member
        • Aug 2004
        • 8658

        #33
        Originally posted by Gary
        "He's good, but he's no Nick Davis" ... a bizarre comparison with a very different player ... Tom has probably already played more good / consistent games than Nick did in any 20/25 game span. One game rightly made Nick a hero forever but assuming fitness holds I see Tom as a greater contributor over the journey. Also I stand by "completely" different in comparing Tom and Max. Would be interested in the relative body size but Tom certainly seems shorter / stockier than I remember Max. Then again, memory can be a tricky thing over 50 years!
        Let's see what kind of a runner he turns out to be. Or even if he becomes a runner!

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        • stevoswan
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2014
          • 8550

          #34
          Originally posted by Blood Fever
          He left to captain/coach Williamstown in VFA for more money I believe.You could leave without a clearance at the time. Not sure about clash with coach who was Alan Miller, former coach of the Under 19s. You may know more, I was only young at the time but my dad was a mate of Miller.
          He left because he was an excellent cricketer and the club and the coach wouldn't let him do both, so he chose cricket and ended up at Williamstown because they let him play cricket......not sure about the money but under those circumstances, it was a nice bonus. Who'd blame him?

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          • Blood Fever
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 4044

            #35
            Originally posted by Bloods05
            Miller would not allow him to play cricket in the off-season. A couple of years later, a certain Peter Bedford did just that, at Sheffield Shield level, and still managed to win a Brownlow. Alan Miller also managed to piss off Austin Robertson so badly that he returned to WA after just one stellar season. I believe Alan was a really nice guy, but he was a disaster as senior coach.
            Pretty sure Miller was coach only in 1967 and 68. Austin Robertson played in 1966 when I think Skilts was captain coach. Not sure why Robertson went back - maybe for business interests. He eventually became a player in World Series Cricket and I think was Dennis Lillee's manager.

            Used to wear No 11 on my South jumper because of Max. Peter Bedford inherited it so I was happy to leave it there.

            - - - Updated - - -

            I meant a 'business' player in WSC not an actual cricket player.
            Last edited by RogueSwan; 20 June 2017, 10:52 AM. Reason: fix quote tags

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            • Nico
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 11337

              #36
              Originally posted by ROK Lobster
              He's good, but he's no Nick Davis
              Nick Davis came to save us, and he did.
              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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              • MattW
                Veterans List
                • May 2011
                • 4212

                #37
                Originally posted by Gary
                "He's good, but he's no Nick Davis" ... a bizarre comparison with a very different player ... Tom has probably already played more good / consistent games than Nick did in any 20/25 game span. One game rightly made Nick a hero forever but assuming fitness holds I see Tom as a greater contributor over the journey. Also I stand by "completely" different in comparing Tom and Max. Would be interested in the relative body size but Tom certainly seems shorter / stockier than I remember Max. Then again, memory can be a tricky thing over 50 years!
                Yeah, I agree re Davis. Papley works harder, applies greater defensive pressure, quicker. Davis a better set shot. Similar abilities to grab a lose ball and snap a goal. Early days, but Papley averages more possessions and tackles; same goal output (1.4 per game).

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                • Swansinger
                  Senior Player
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1099

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Doctor
                  I don't mind him being a bit goal hungry. I want my small forward to be that way. If he gets too greedy the coaching staff and his teammates will let him know.
                  Agreed. I was more worried about what he did vs Carlton , 35 out on a decent angle , but laid it off.

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                  • Bloods05
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 1641

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Blood Fever
                    Pretty sure Miller was coach only in 1967 and 68. Austin Robertson played in 1966 when I think Skilts was captain coach. Not sure why Robertson went back - maybe for business interests. He eventually became a player in World Series Cricket and I think was Dennis Lillee's manager.

                    Used to wear No 11 on my South jumper because of Max. Peter Bedford inherited it so I was happy to leave it there.

                    - - - Updated - - -

                    I meant a 'business' player in WSC not an actual cricket player.
                    Austin Robertson went back after kicking a very creditable 60 goals in 1966. Miller told him when he took over the coaching role from Skilton that he did not want a leading full-forward. He wanted a stay-at-home full-forward. Robertson well knew that fast leads and long, accurate drop-punts (in an era when very few players used this kick) were his signature strengths.

                    Miller wanted to turn him into something he was not, and would never be. He returned to a great career in the WAFL, and South lost a potential star goalkicker.

                    Sad to say it, but Miller squandered Skilton's great work of the previous 2 years.
                    Last edited by RogueSwan; 20 June 2017, 10:53 AM. Reason: fix quote tags

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                    • Nico
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11337

                      #40
                      IIRC Miller was an Alan Killegrew hot gospeller type. My way or the highway. From memory was a good Under 19's coach where the his style was better suited, but didn't cut it with the men. Pretty sure he was my brother's Under 19's coach. Was a shocking choice right from the go.
                      http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                      • Blood Fever
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4044

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Nico
                        IIRC Miller was an Alan Killegrew hot gospeller type. My way or the highway. From memory was a good Under 19's coach where the his style was better suited, but didn't cut it with the men. Pretty sure he was my brother's Under 19's coach. Was a shocking choice right from the go.
                        I think he won a premiership in the Under 19s. Like you Nico, my brother was coached by him and my dad was friendly with him. The under 19 premiership probably got him the job but he wasn't a success. Norm Smith got us to finals a couple of year's later in 1970. Lot of 'hotgospelling' around in those days.

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                        • GongSwan
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 1362

                          #42
                          Our midfield 3 to 5 years from now, Heeney, Mills, Parker, Jones, Papley, Hayward. Why do I feel so secure????
                          You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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                          • grarmy
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 406

                            #43
                            Originally posted by GongSwan
                            Our midfield 3 to 5 years from now, Heeney, Mills, Parker, Jones, Papley, Hayward. Why do I feel so secure????
                            Tippo gone by then.
                            "Play like you can’t lose."

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                            • bloodspirit
                              Clubman
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 4448

                              #44
                              Originally posted by grarmy
                              Tippo gone by then.
                              Don't be complacent! If they've extended him once again until 2020, who knows what they will do.
                              All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                              • GongSwan
                                Senior Player
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 1362

                                #45
                                Originally posted by bloodspirit
                                Don't be complacent! If they've extended him once again until 2020, who knows what they will do.
                                I thought it waS a 2 year extension, which would be end of 2018??????????????????????????
                                You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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