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  • Blood Fever
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 4043

    #16

    Andrew Ireland will go down as a huge figure in South/Sydney history.

    Tom Harley, from what we have seen, is an ideal replacement. Contrast and compare the shambles at Collingwood where McGuire is never called to account by Melbourne media.

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    • The Big Cat
      On the veteran's list
      • Apr 2006
      • 2354

      #17
      Originally posted by Sandridge
      He's been a HUGE influence on our club and is a large reason why we're the powerhouse club we are today. Loved seeing him in the background in the clubrooms last Saturday night singing along with the players as they belted out the club song.
      He will go onto the board and will serve in a consultant's role in administration and list management.
      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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      • MattW
        Veterans List
        • May 2011
        • 4208

        #18
        Originally posted by barry
        In the 1970's
        What's your point? Ireland's last year with Collingwood was 1980; he started as CEO of the Brisbane Bears in 1990. Harley's last year with Geelong was 2009; he'll start as CEO of the Swans in 2019.

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        • grarmy
          Warming the Bench
          • Aug 2010
          • 406

          #19
          Originally posted by AnnieH
          Who said Andrew Ireland can retire?
          He's been the best thing at this club forever.
          Love your work, Annie but I would put Kinnear Beatson at the top of our admin tree.
          "Play like you can’t lose."

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            #20
            Originally posted by MattW
            What's your point? Ireland's last year with Collingwood was 1980; he started as CEO of the Brisbane Bears in 1990. Harley's last year with Geelong was 2009; he'll start as CEO of the Swans in 2019.
            My point is simple. Swans are a powerhouse club. They do not need to try untried CEO's with only 10 years or work experience. They should be going after more experienced, proven, CEOs (like they did with Ireland). They didn't consider Ireland's playing record when they picked him, they considered his corporate record.

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            • The Big Cat
              On the veteran's list
              • Apr 2006
              • 2354

              #21
              Originally posted by barry
              My point is simple. Swans are a powerhouse club. They do not need to try untried CEO's with only 10 years or work experience. They should be going after more experienced, proven, CEOs (like they did with Ireland). They didn't consider Ireland's playing record when they picked him, they considered his corporate record.
              Its a footy club! You need footy people. Most "Corporate" CEO's are overpaid business robots who have finally reached their level of incompetence and whose main attribute is their lack of conscience with regard to slashing employees for the benefit of the share price and thus their own bonuses. With Ireland they looked at his track record in assembling and administering a triple premiership team in Brisbane and then appointed him Football manager at the swans before elevating him to CEO.
              Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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              • KTigers
                Senior Player
                • Apr 2012
                • 2499

                #22
                I think it's a little hard to compare a football club with a so called regular business. They are very different beasts with different agendas
                and purposes. I'd imagine the people required to run them may vary a little too. But then again the club has done fairly well with people
                who played AFL footy, and with people who haven't. They have a good track record at selecting execs.
                Last edited by KTigers; 26 July 2017, 10:27 AM.

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                • Doctor J.
                  Senior Player
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1310

                  #23
                  I'm OK with Harley. And to be honest, its unlikely that any of us really know what he is like or will be like. The ones who do know whether he has what it takes to lead a multi purpose multi million dollar business are people like Andrew Ireland and Andrew Pridham, and I trust their assessment of his skills and the governance process over the succession plan.

                  In any event Tom has been with Sydney since 2014, and will take over the CEO's role at the end of 2018. That's a very long job interview.

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                  • 707
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    #24
                    An 18 month handover, probably be seamless, just another example of the professional way this club is run. Selection of the next football manager will be interesting.

                    Andrew Pridham is a highly successful and respected businessman who knows what is required for the position so that speaks of the quality of Tom Harley to be selected as future CEO.

                    I note how many former club captains are at the club in coaching and administrative roles, Harley among them of course.

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                    • liz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16758

                      #25
                      They talked briefly about Harley's appointment on AFL360 last night. Whately commented that he doesn't believe the Swans' CEO job is the top position Harley will occupy within the football industry. He think's Harley is earmarked to take over from McLachlan. I am sure he'd have been in the AFL's sights now as a possible to take over the vacant role of Football Operations Manager.

                      In terms of Ireland first "only" being appointed as Football Manager when he first arrived at Sydney, that was for a couple of reasons:

                      - the Swans already had a CEO, who was performing reasonably well at the time
                      - Ireland had recently departed the Lions as CEO, where he felt he was "burned out". He actually was a consultant to the club for a year or so, before joining as Football Manager, and that role possibly gave him a bit of respite from the pressures of being a CEO for a few years, until he had the appetite to step up to the top job at a club again.

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                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        #26
                        Originally posted by grarmy
                        Love your work, Annie but I would put Kinnear Beatson at the top of our admin tree.
                        Shhhhhhhhh.
                        Don't tell anyone.
                        BUT, if any other club want to be as successful as us, they'd pinch Kinnear.
                        HE's the MAN when it comes to spotting talent.
                        Personally, I'd leave him to do what he does best and give Kirky the Head of Football job.
                        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                        • barry
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8499

                          #27
                          No doubt swans set this up now because of all these executive roles opening up at AFL house and clubland.

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                          • bloodspirit
                            Clubman
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 4448

                            #28
                            I'm a fan of the Harley transition. Harley has adequate experience in administration and the bonus of being a very respected footballer (premiership captain no less) and presents as very sensible, clear-thinking and ethical. The people we know and trust (i.e. Ireland and the Board) have picked him and that gives me a lot of additional confidence. Plus we have had a good look at him and know what he brings and that it matches with what we want.

                            Very sad to see Ireland go. He and Colless have made the Swans the Club we are today (along with the players and coaches). Has been absolutely brilliant for us. Very glad he will stay involved.

                            I don't yet have a strong opinion about Pridham. I suspect he's good else we would not have picked him (and, again, we had a long, long look at him before we picked him) but I haven't seen it yet for myself.

                            I'm not sure about either Kirk or Kinnear to replace Harley. I think it's too soon for Kirky and he's going towards a senior coaching position if he's good enough anyway, via a senior assistant coaching position. Kinnear is so fabulous at what he does, I say just let him continue unless he wants to progress.

                            Blakey could, possibly, become football operations manager (what the hell is the football operations manager anyway? what do they do? clearly they have a football background, are involved in match committee and list management, help the CEO and presumably also supervising/coordinating the coaches too??) but could be a good opportunity to get in some fresh blood. When bringing in someone external, geography is a significant factor. Some candidates are just not going to be interested in leaving Melbourne (or wherever). Others will be. I could totally see Macca (or Goodsey!) in this type of a role one day when he has garnered the right type of post-playing experience but I daresay it's too soon for him, even in 12-18 months time. What about someone like Buckley, if he gets the heave-ho? He hasn't been a great success as head coach for the Pies but, if they get rid of him, he'll be wiser for the experience and strikes me as a very impressive football person. However, this is a good example of where geography may well be an issue as it's easy to imagine he would have no interest in leaving Melbourne (nor, perhaps, in this role). Some other former senior coach with good administrative credentials could also be the type to get this sort of role. Anyway, I trust our Club to make an excellent choice.
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                            • AnnieH
                              RWOs Black Sheep
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 11332

                              #29
                              Buckley???
                              No thanks.
                              Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                              Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                              • Untamed Snark
                                Senior Player
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 1375

                                #30
                                Originally posted by AnnieH
                                Buckley???
                                No thanks.
                                Not arguing just wondering on your reasoning
                                Chillin' with the strange Quarks

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