Media and the Swans (merged / renamed thread)

[Boddo]

The game commentary on Fox is nigh on unlistenable. During the last two away games against Geelong and Adelaide, we actually
turned the sound off. It wouldn't bother me, but I pay for it. It's like these morons don't realise (or care) that people all over
Australia are watching the Swans play Adelaide. Apparently it was the most watched game this season, not surprising when
the two best teams play each in Round 22. I've pretty much given up on 360 until someone tells that pair that there are teams based
more than 5 km from the studio, and the broadcast signal goes a bit further than the end of the road outside the studio, and
reminds them who is paying their wages.

In defence of Foxtel they are only aloud to take the c7 commentary so game commentary is c7's fault for Friday nights. But the 1/2 time n post game discussions are dictated to by Eddie way to much. Sarah Jones pulls the other suited up bogans into line pretty well. Atleast just give me the press red to mute the commentary like I used to have instead of listening to the attention seeking half wits we have now pushing their Victorian clubs barrow. 360's problem is Robinson, sensationalist journo looking for headlines while downing a can or 2. He appears to be on their just to promote the next days headline for his toilet paper. Last night Sheahan showed exactly how it's done. Like I've said these shows n journalists/commentators will fall by the wayside very quickly when live streaming shows become the norm. It's not far away n if no1 believes me look into the US or Europe. The next tv rights are going to be very very interesting.

[Sandrevan]

Great comments everybody. Last Friday night it was obvious the ch 7 commentators were pandering to the Adelaide audience and, to a lesser degree, the Melbourne audience who like to watch Friday night footy. Plenty, like me, are Swans supporters.

The Swans like to fly under the radar away from the fish bowl. Can you imagine the fuss if Collingwood went from 0-6 to 6th at the end of the H and A season. I think Buddy's main reason for going to the Swans was to get away from all the AFL media scrutiny. Every time he scratched his nose down here there was some media hack writing about it.

[Boddo]

I will bet that there are more consumers of Foxtel AFL in Victoria than probably in all the other states combined. Well, maybe an exaggeration, but I wouldnt be surprised.

I'll bet their is not. Adelaide v Sydney ratings proved it. Highest ratings game all year.

[liz]

The game commentary on Fox is nigh on unlistenable. During the last two away games against Geelong and Adelaide, we actually
turned the sound off. It wouldn't bother me, but I pay for it. It's like these morons don't realise (or care) that people all over
Australia are watching the Swans play Adelaide. Apparently it was the most watched game this season, not surprising when
the two best teams play each in Round 22. I've pretty much given up on 360 until someone tells that pair that there are teams based
more than 5 km from the studio, and the broadcast signal goes a bit further than the end of the road outside the studio, and
reminds them who is paying their wages.

Are you talking about the commentary during the matches themselves, or the pre and post game discussions?

For the prime time games (ie all Friday night games, including our games against Adelaide and Geelong), the match commentary is the C7 commentary - ie we get Broooce, BT, Carey and Ling (most weeks). The pre and post game commentary and analysis is content generated by Fox.

Where Fox broadcast a game not also broadcast by C7, they do provide their own commentary teams.

I agree that the Friday night C7 commentary team is bog ordinary. It irritates me even when it's not a game involving the Swans. Maybe it irritates me even more, because I'm not so emotionally invested in the game and block out the commentary less.

For games outside the Friday night showpiece, I think it depends on who you get and what your preferences are. I quite like Dunstall, for example, and he does seem to get rostered on quite a lot of Swans games that Fox covers. Roos (also another Swans regular) is OK but I find him somewhat dull. I enjoy Anthony Hudson and find Sandy Roberts unobtrusive (which is a good thing). Alistair Lynch isn't too bad, while Dermie is a mixed bag - some of his insights are really good but then he gets caught up on something bizarre and won't let go for the rest of the game.

I am not a fan of any of the C7 regulars - Friday nights or other games - but I do enjoy Richo's self-deprecating humour.

[Boddo]

Great comments everybody. Last Friday night it was obvious the ch 7 commentators were pandering to the Adelaide audience and, to a lesser degree, the Melbourne audience who like to watch Friday night footy. Plenty, like me, are Swans supporters.

The Swans like to fly under the radar away from the fish bowl. Can you imagine the fuss if Collingwood went from 0-6 to 6th at the end of the H and A season. I think Buddy's main reason for going to the Swans was to get away from all the AFL media scrutiny. Every time he scratched his nose down here there was some media hack writing about it.

It's not the media saturation people want its balanced discussion about ALL sides. The beginning of the year for Sydney should have been talk about how has a side that just lost a grand final doing so badly. Talk that Parker had a limited pre-season, is Aliir having 2nd year blues, Is Longmire struggling, Have they lost their desire, is Jacks career over etc not look at the camera with a blank stair n then go to the fall back of injuries. For GWS it should be their playing well being so injury riddled, Brisbane how has Fagan turned around the culture n how much has bringing Noble on board helped. I want to hear discussion how cam McCarthy is travelling after the turmoil of leaving GWS. But no it was the weekly circle jerk of Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda n Essendon. The club n players might like flying under the radar but I think most supporters like to hear people in the media talk about their club from a outside the circle point of view.

[KTigers]

I haven't seen any figures re the breakup of their subscribers. But if what is meant to be a national broadcaster is going to focus mostly
on teams from one state, then maybe they should be more transparent about it and call it Fox Footy Melbourne or something, and people
interstate can make the call about whether they want to subscribe or not. At least with say the Herald Sun, it's just a local rag so you
know there will be four pages devoted to Nathan Buckley every other day, or what Jake Carlisle had for breakfast, and you can choose
whether to subscribe or not. For lots of people (myself included) their interest in footy doesn't begin and end at the team they support.
There are so many interesting things going on in footy outside of Melbourne, and outside of the Swans too for that matter. I just think
there should be a quality national media perspective and coverage of the game from somewhere. But there isn't.

I will bet that there are more consumers of Foxtel AFL in Victoria than probably in all the other states combined. Well, maybe an exaggeration, but I wouldnt be surprised.

[Dosser]

It's not the media saturation people want its balanced discussion about ALL sides. The beginning of the year for Sydney should have been talk about how has a side that just lost a grand final doing so badly. Talk that Parker had a limited pre-season, is Aliir having 2nd year blues, Is Longmire struggling, Have they lost their desire, is Jacks career over etc not look at the camera with a blank stair n then go to the fall back of injuries. For GWS it should be their playing well being so injury riddled, Brisbane how has Fagan turned around the culture n how much has bringing Noble on board helped. I want to hear discussion how cam McCarthy is travelling after the turmoil of leaving GWS. But no it was the weekly circle jerk of Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda n Essendon. The club n players might like flying under the radar but I think most supporters like to hear people in the media talk about their club from a outside the circle point of view.

You are right with this. As a Melbourne-based Swans supporter, I have to come here for my news, rather than the mainstream media. It is lucky that RWO is so insightful, balanced and not prone to hysteria

[Boddo]

You are right with this. As a Melbourne-based Swans supporter, I have to come here for my news, rather than the mainstream media. It is lucky that RWO is so insightful, balanced and not prone to hysteria

Yes it's a rippa sight for a good discussion without the hysteria that comes with others. I do look at BF a bit just to gather information. Especially about young potential draftees. Just have to wade through the bs n fanboy stuff.

[Doctor]

I find it extraordinary how overtly the pundits discuss their parochialism in their analysis. The best presenters or analysts should go through their career without you ever knowing who they barrack for. The AFL guys seem to revel in it. Consider the top US or UK commentators like Joe Buck or Martin Tyler. You would never know who they support. The colour guys are the same, even if we know which team they played for they keep their comments neutral. Younger guys like Dal Santo, Kane Cornes try to be unbiased and the wizened heads just bring up their allegiances until they wilt.

[liz]

I find it extraordinary how overtly the pundits discuss their parochialism in their analysis. The best presenters or analysts should go through their career without you ever knowing who they barrack for. The AFL guys seem to revel in it. Consider the top US or UK commentators like Joe Buck or Martin Tyler. You would never know who they support. The colour guys are the same, even if we know which team they played for they keep their comments neutral. Younger guys like Dal Santo, Kane Cornes try to be unbiased and the wizened heads just bring up their allegiances until they wilt.

Before I took the plunge with Fox Footy, I'd heard a little about Grybas but the main thing I knew was that he was a Collingwood fan. I groaned internally, and probably held off getting Fox Footy for a while in the knowledge he was the face of the mid-week discussion. It was a revelation, when I did sign up, how non-parochial he was. If you didn't know he was a Collingwood fan, you'd never have worked it out watching him.

Anthony Hudson comes close. Just occasionally he lets his love for Geelong shine through but he mostly keeps it under wraps and he comes across as all the more professional for it. Contrast him with Whately, who should have a lot going for him. I don't think he's as smart or analytical as he likes to think he is, but he's head and shoulders above most of the commentators. But his refusal to be footy commentator first and Geelong fan second is a big downer. You can almost see his tongue hanging out every time he speaks with Chris Scott, and as for Patrick Dangerfield...

One of the reasons I like Dunstall over most of the other commentators / journalists is that he keeps his Hawthorn allegiance from bubbling out. Indeed, when you hear him commentate games where Hawthorn are playing, I get the impression he's conscious of almost playing down their efforts / talents to counteract his natural allegiance. It's certainly a contrast with Eddie speaking about the Pies or Dermie on the Hawks.

I also really like Dal Santo and Cornes. Not only do they mostly keep their club allegiances at bay, they give the impression that they done some thinking and tried to come up with something insightful to say, rather than just rocking up, opening their mouths and hoping for the best.

[KTigers]

Yes, a fund should be set up to pay for Dal Santo to fly OS and spend a week in the commentary box with Buck at the World
Series or Tyler during the EPL season. These guys are the benchmark. At all costs Nick should be kept away from any Seven or Fox
commentator whose name has had a "y" added to the end of it. He is smart, just out of the game, but likely impressionable and
these clowns will drag him down to their level in no time if given the chance.

[Matty10]

I don't know that I find any of this surprising.

A nightly show (and in this case TV channel), that is based in Melbourne - even with a national audience - is understandably going to skew towards the content they know best. They are also all linked to local radio stations or newspapers which, in part, set the agenda for their shows.

Ten Victorian clubs out of a total of 18 would also suggest that the majority of discussion, based on an equal value weighting, would be about those clubs.

It might also be interesting to do a calculation of time spent in discussion of each club.

I'd suggest the bias of those watching the broadcast might also need to be factored into the discussion.


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[Boddo]

I don't know that I find any of this surprising.

A nightly show (and in this case TV channel), that is based in Melbourne - even with a national audience - is understandably going to skew towards the content they know best. They are also all linked to local radio stations or newspapers which, in part, set the agenda for their shows.

Ten Victorian clubs out of a total of 18 would also suggest that the majority of discussion, based on an equal value weighting, would be about those clubs.

It might also be interesting to do a calculation of time spent in discussion of each club.

I'd suggest the bias of those watching the broadcast might also need to be factored into the discussion.


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I have no bias to anything watching these shows I just would like to hear about ALL clubs whether that be Victorian, WA, SA, NSW, Qld clubs. If I want to listen to mostly Victorian clubs news I'd live stream Melbourne radio. I've watched these shows all year n it's been so pathetically skewed to the four clubs I've said regularly. Why should the majority of discussion be about Victorian based clubs when they are barely a majority. 45% of clubs are outside of Victoria but you wouldn't get 45% of the shows time devoted to non Victorian clubs.

[Boddo]

Before I took the plunge with Fox Footy, I'd heard a little about Grybas but the main thing I knew was that he was a Collingwood fan. I groaned internally, and probably held off getting Fox Footy for a while in the knowledge he was the face of the mid-week discussion. It was a revelation, when I did sign up, how non-parochial he was. If you didn't know he was a Collingwood fan, you'd never have worked it out watching him.

Anthony Hudson comes close. Just occasionally he lets his love for Geelong shine through but he mostly keeps it under wraps and he comes across as all the more professional for it. Contrast him with Whately, who should have a lot going for him. I don't think he's as smart or analytical as he likes to think he is, but he's head and shoulders above most of the commentators. But his refusal to be footy commentator first and Geelong fan second is a big downer. You can almost see his tongue hanging out every time he speaks with Chris Scott, and as for Patrick Dangerfield...

One of the reasons I like Dunstall over most of the other commentators / journalists is that he keeps his Hawthorn allegiance from bubbling out. Indeed, when you hear him commentate games where Hawthorn are playing, I get the impression he's conscious of almost playing down their efforts / talents to counteract his natural allegiance. It's certainly a contrast with Eddie speaking about the Pies or Dermie on the Hawks.

I also really like Dal Santo and Cornes. Not only do they mostly keep their club allegiances at bay, they give the impression that they done some thinking and tried to come up with something insightful to say, rather than just rocking up, opening their mouths and hoping for the best.

Grybas was easily the best up n coming commentator I've ever heard. Would have ended up better than bwuce n cometti in their prime. Bwuce has become bad n I mean real bad, destroyed what should have been a rippa goal from Franklin n tried to turn into a story about Cometti. Sorry mate we watch the game for the stars n not for you. Papali n Bennet are coming through n I hope they get the push they deserve n the old VFL dinosaurs get pushed by the wayside.

[Nico]

I don't know that I find any of this surprising.

A nightly show (and in this case TV channel), that is based in Melbourne - even with a national audience - is understandably going to skew towards the content they know best. They are also all linked to local radio stations or newspapers which, in part, set the agenda for their shows.

Ten Victorian clubs out of a total of 18 would also suggest that the majority of discussion, based on an equal value weighting, would be about those clubs.

It might also be interesting to do a calculation of time spent in discussion of each club.

I'd suggest the bias of those watching the broadcast might also need to be factored into the discussion.


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SEN has a policy of taking so many phone calls an hour. They get this by having regulars like Trout from Woodend calling in about Richmond. I wonder sometimes if they are taking off the Coodabeens, and having fake callers who work at the station. Of course there are much fewer interstate supporters in Victoria so it will be skewed towards the Melbourne clubs. We have a few Swans supporters who ring in semi regularly. After all it is a Melbourne station.