2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • goswannies
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2007
    • 3048

    Originally posted by YvonneH
    Is that a normal recovery from torn ACL? I thought it would have been longer. Obviously no training for quite some time after that.
    Nothing special there. These days - depending on the surgeon, graft and concomitant injuries - some people don’t even use crutches postop. Just walk. Squats can be started from day 1 postop (it’s actually a closed kinetic chain excercise that serves to protect the graft, so long as they’re not deep).

    Originally posted by Blood Fever
    Notice the NFL players get back on park a lot quicker after an ACL
    Depends on graft. The States have used and “accelerated rehab programs” since the 90s (plenty of scientific papers on it) where the return to sport has been 4-6 months (specific guidelines apply)

    Originally posted by KSAS
    That is amazing Tucker was able to move around & drive car after just 14 days having the op. Compared to when I did my ACL back in the 80's where my leg was in a full plaster cast for 6 weeks and still needed crutches thereafter as my leg had lost all muscle tone. Wonder if Tucker is able to fully train now & join in pre-season?
    With a left leg and an automatic car, some surgeons allow driving after a few days (only limited by the anaesthetic effects). Right leg, 2 weeks to driving isn’t uncommon at all. It depends on whether reaction time has been restored.

    Times have changed significantly from the 80s.

    I’ve had 2 of them (1995,1996). First time I was in a brace for a few weeks as I had an MCL injury and a significant meniscal tear. Second one off crutches in a day.

    I’ve not seen a plastered one in the nearly 2 decades I’ve been treating them.

    The rehab is determined by concomitant injuries, surgeon preference, graft type and a bunch of other things (& these are often interrelated)

    Return to training dependant on surgeon (& how conservative they are), physio, type of sport, patient compliance.

    But the bottom line is, no matter what, the autologous biological graft pretty much heals at the same rate. It will take some stress, but there is a limit and this changes with time. Go too hard too early and you risk injury

    eg

    1995: David Schwarz (11 weeks)
    Suffered his first ACL tear early in 1995 and returned inside three months only to re-injure the knee in his second game back. The following season he suffered yet another tear. The Melbourne forward's struggles are the main reason clubs adopted a conservative approach. (I recall a TV interview where on his return, Schwarz said his reconstructed knee was “stronger than his good knee” - likely the muscle strength of the quads and hams were, but at 3 months, the graft is still pitifully weak and not really up to the physical rigours of AFL football)

    1998: Tony Liberatore (18 weeks)
    The Brownlow medallist holds the AFL record for the fastest successful return from a knee reconstruction, returning from his second operation in just four-and-a-half months. (he was possibly lucky that he came back at the end of the season and didn’t play enough games to stuff up his knee)
    Last edited by goswannies; 24 November 2018, 11:07 PM.

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    • Muttley
      Pushing for Selection
      • Aug 2018
      • 65

      Just watched Nick Blakey highlights on sydneyswans.com.au

      Need a cold shower.

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      • KSAS
        Senior Player
        • Mar 2018
        • 1743

        This Gary Buckenara's draft analysis for each club (I've been using 'outline' to get around HS paywall articles like these & pasting link here):

        Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

        He was shocked the bid for Blakey didn't come till pick 10 as he rated him at 3. Though it was clever how we used the live trading to gain pick 25 but was surprised we used it on James Rowbottom, as he didn't have him in his top 50 (he made that same comment with a number of other clubs selections). However he acknowledged Rowbottom has traits the Swans love & thought both McInerney and Foot will add more speed that we desperately need.

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        • Auntie.Gerald
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2009
          • 6470

          Commentator's nephew joins Sydney to bolster midfield brigade in 2019 and beyond

          AFL website

          "We came into the draft looking to get a bunch of midfielders and we've been able to do that," Beatson said.

          "We really rate Rowbottom, a bigger-size midfielder (who is) very explosive around the stoppages and we needed to address that.

          "We've also been able to address a bit of outside run with McInerney and Foot, so you always find out in two or three years whether it's worked, but on what our plan was coming in, we're happy."
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • lwjoyner
            Regular in the Side
            • Nov 2004
            • 930

            Now for numbers, surely Tippert should loose #8 and get say 80

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            • chalbilto
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2007
              • 1139

              Originally posted by lwjoyner
              Now for numbers, surely Tippert should loose #8 and get say 80
              Hi Lw,
              You should have posted this comment in the Tippett thread so as to keep it going on and getting longer.

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              • Markwebbos
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2016
                • 7186

                Wonder whether they’ll give out Hanners and Gaz’s numbers, and to whom?

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                • sharp9
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2508

                  Originally posted by AB Swannie
                  Nope. Wrong video. Number 4 is Tom McKenzie. It’s the first video for McInerney. He is number 30.

                  Northern Knights - AFL Draft Central
                  Thanks ABS - looks good :-)
                  "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                  • giant
                    Veterans List
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 4731

                    Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                    I agree too, I watched his clip earlier in the week when the BT article popped up and thought he is quicker than the average inside mid and Seemed to have a knack for finding a target with his quick hands out of trouble. Like a quicker Mitchell in a way. Not unhappy with him , maybe he wasn’t a pick 25 but I’ll have him.


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                    I agree it's tough when you've only got the highlights reel to judge a kid on, but I also really liked the look of this lad. Tellingly for me was how well he made quick decisions in traffic - the anti-Towers if you will. Can't help but think that's been a deliberate trade compromise.

                    Liked the Parker comparison too - very similar at times.

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                    • Scottee
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1585

                      Overall my impression is that only 3 of the draftees will have a chance of getting a game in 2019, mainly due to lack of body mass - Blakey, Rowbottom and Tucker. The others are project players who need to grow. Plenty of speed, skill and game reading ability though.

                      It will be an interesting year ahead.

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                      We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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                      • aguy
                        Senior Player
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 1324

                        Originally posted by Scottee
                        Overall my impression is that only 3 of the draftees will have a chance of getting a game in 2019, mainly due to lack of body mass - Blakey, Rowbottom and Tucker. The others are project players who need to grow. Plenty of speed, skill and game reading ability though.

                        It will be an interesting year ahead.

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                        Yes indeed.

                        Even then I think actually we will only see Blakey play this year. I think Clark, thurlow rose dawson stoddart Fox will all be ahead of the others.

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                        • Blood Fever
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4025

                          Originally posted by aguy
                          Yes indeed.

                          Even then I think actually we will only see Blakey play this year. I think Clark, thurlow rose dawson stoddart Fox will all be ahead of the others.
                          And Ling hopefully will have some sort of head start

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            I reckon I have no idea. There have been a number of times a player has come from the rookie list to play round one. And others miss the start of the season.

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                            • Mark26
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2017
                              • 1535

                              Originally posted by Blood Fever
                              And Ling hopefully will have some sort of head start
                              Fingers crossed that we will see Lingy out running shortly.

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                              • AnnieH
                                RWOs Black Sheep
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 11332

                                So is everyone happy now?
                                Did we mention that Kinnear is a genius?
                                Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                                Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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