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  • dejavoodoo44
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2015
    • 8620

    #16
    Originally posted by stevoswan
    Plus, we got to where we are with a two year trading ban thrown in for good measure ........stuff the 'VFL', you'd reckon they have learned by now that you just can't keep a good club down.
    Yeah, "It's only a flesh wound".

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    • wolftone57
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2008
      • 5854

      #17
      Originally posted by Bloods05
      Unless the team of champions is really really good.
      A team of champions unfortunately don't play like a team. I can remember one star studded line up that actually gelled and that was the North Foreign Legion of the '70's. But it took a few seasons. Barass got them a couple of premierships. Our Foreign Legion of the '40's was a total failure for all that talent.

      All the teams that have had the most sustained success have been teams developed from a team first philosophy. Collingwood tried buying premierships by buying stars for decades. They finally won one under Lethal with a team first philosophy.

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      • goswannies
        Senior Player
        • Sep 2007
        • 3049

        #18
        Originally posted by wolftone57
        A team of champions unfortunately don't play like a team. I can remember one star studded line up that actually gelled and that was the North Foreign Legion of the '70's. But it took a few seasons. Barass got them a couple of premierships. Our Foreign Legion of the '40's was a total failure for all that talent.

        All the teams that have had the most sustained success have been teams developed from a team first philosophy. Collingwood tried buying premierships by buying stars for decades. They finally won one under Lethal with a team first philosophy.

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        Our Foreign Legion was the 30s (1933-36) and it was more successful than the Docs assembled talent of the 80s. 1 premiership from 4 conservative grand finals isn?t too shabby. Despite the talent, those things aren?t that easy to win (and we were robbed for one of them when Pratt was a late withdrawal).
        Last edited by goswannies; 6 February 2018, 03:00 PM.

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        • 707
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2009
          • 6204

          #19
          I should have just paid the postage and got it on line but I stupidly elected to go to my local Westfield to buy the 2018 AFL Prospectus. I hate shopping centres and today's wander through reinforced that hate but I got Champion Data's excellent publication.

          Straight to the Swans pages when I got it home, a nice analysis of our list confirming what most of us believe - that it's in good shape, is transitioning nicely and that the recruiting has been absolutely excellent given the lack of high draft picks.

          Particularly liked the write up on Jordan Dawson, "numbers in the NEAFL went through the roof averaging 136 ranking points, the second most of any player in the comp........ he dominated most metrics, rating elite for disposals, contested possessions, uncontested possessions, contested marks, goals and tackles per game"

          But we all know that, his lack of promotion mystified most of us. Must be given a good run at it IMO, weight of numbers and a uniqueness of player type. The kind of player that should improve our best 22.

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          • CureTheSane
            Carpe Noctem
            • Jan 2003
            • 5032

            #20
            There were reasons Dawson didn't get a run.
            There were reasons Allir didn't get another run.

            I don't know what they were/are, but I trust the club is looking after the players, as well as putting the best team on the track every week.
            The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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            • undy
              Fatal error: Allowed memo
              • Mar 2003
              • 1231

              #21
              Originally posted by Bloods05
              Unless the team of champions is really really good.
              champion team of champions beats a champion team
              Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way you'll be a mile away and he'll be shoeless.

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              • wolftone57
                Veterans List
                • Aug 2008
                • 5854

                #22
                Originally posted by CureTheSane
                There were reasons Dawson didn't get a run.
                There were reasons Allir didn't get another run.

                I don't know what they were/are, but I trust the club is looking after the players, as well as putting the best team on the track every week.
                Dawson was very close on many occasions. I think they just wanted a diffetent style of player on the day. Several times it was either him or a speedster and they went speed. That doesn't denigrate him at all as it was horses for courses.

                They were also honing him in the Twos as a big string mid and he has progressed wonderfully. Needs to go to the next level this season.

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                • Beerman
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 823

                  #23
                  Originally posted by YvonneH
                  The article also refers to us as 'Lance Franklin's Swans'. I personally don't have an issue with this, but I wonder how Joey Kennedy would feel seeing as he is the captain.
                  It seems an unusual turn of phrase - normally this phrasing would be reserved for the coach eg. "Longmire's swans".

                  I didn't read the article, but I guess in context it makes more sense as Franklin is clearly our most talented player. Still seems odd though and I would prefer not to see it.

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                  • CureTheSane
                    Carpe Noctem
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 5032

                    #24
                    I wouldn't call Franklin clearly our most talented player.
                    I think a few other hats would be in that ring.
                    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                    • O'Reilly Boy
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 474

                      #25
                      Originally posted by CureTheSane
                      I wouldn't call Franklin clearly our most talented player.
                      I think a few other hats would be in that ring.
                      I appreciate the sentiment CtS, but frankly, think that it's a lay-down misere. He is a once in a generation player. I reckon what he did in the second quarter against Essendon in the final last year, knowing that he had a corkie that was going to hobble him the next week (thanks Goddard),was just amazing. He shredded them, utterly imposed his will on the game, and did so with skill, power, grace and relish. Of all the things I've watched him do, for us and for the Hawks, that was just astonishing.

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                      • CureTheSane
                        Carpe Noctem
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 5032

                        #26
                        He's our most talented forward for sure.
                        I've never seen him as being the only person in his own ball park.
                        We had the stingiest backline last year, led by Grundy.
                        Some players get more pomp and ceremony than others (and also more Brownlow votes)
                        Not trying to bring down Franklin, he's a champion, like many others in the team.
                        The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                        • O'Reilly Boy
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 474

                          #27
                          Originally posted by CureTheSane
                          He's our most talented forward for sure.
                          I've never seen him as being the only person in his own ball park.
                          We had the stingiest backline last year, led by Grundy.
                          Some players get more pomp and ceremony than others (and also more Brownlow votes)
                          Not trying to bring down Franklin, he's a champion, like many others in the team.
                          Yep, the back half shows us the way I reckon: the whole is much more than the sum of its parts. That key players have left over the last five years?Mattner, Shaw, Malceski?but it hasn't missed a beat is amazing. Imagine playing in that unit, the confidence it would give you. And now there are players lining up to be a part of it.

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                          • Auntie.Gerald
                            Veterans List
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 6477

                            #28
                            I suspect we may see Jordan Dawson play a Mackie / Harry Taylor type of role off the HBF this season with the ability to play forward in equal minutes

                            Rampe was a midfielder before going the Swans and being made into a very competent and competitive back

                            The best development in a weak neafl for Jordan was to play on the ball in the midfield so he is ready for afl Snrs

                            He can now play all three areas of the ground if he wants it bad enough
                            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                            • swansrob
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2009
                              • 1265

                              #29
                              Originally posted by CureTheSane
                              There were reasons Dawson didn't get a run.
                              There were reasons Allir didn't get another run.

                              I don't know what they were/are, but I trust the club is looking after the players, as well as putting the best team on the track every week.
                              I suspect Dawson was supposed to get a few more games, but someone somewhere made an admin error when entering the team for that week. It's the only reason I can think of as to why Jordan Foote kept getting games

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                              • 707
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 6204

                                #30
                                Anyone been to training and noticed which group Dawson is with? That might give us a clue as to how he's viewed by the coaching staff.

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