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  • waswan
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2015
    • 2047

    #31
    Alir needs to play, another tall down there means Ramps and Reg can be creative.
    Ramps always gets a bath from J Cameron cos he is too small.

    If we can get Ramps running off the back flank more then our fwd line will function better
    Reid in will help heaps, Buddy up the ground turned a few times on the weekend and didn't have a lot to go to, even though he was able to find a few with his exceptional field kicking
    Id give Rohan another chance as a fwd, he is better when he is the 3rd tall

    Towers needs to lift in what is probably the hardest role in the team being an undersized ruck, no point dropping him, we need him in there this year

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    • longmile
      Crumber
      • Apr 2011
      • 3362

      #32
      Originally posted by Cainit

      Also is everyone forgetting that Papley has not as damaging up forward these first two games.
      He's been playing mostly midfield

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6474

        #33
        I love to look at future players vs current selections as much as anyone but I don?t this it was personnel that let us down Sunday night

        A
        Serious team and contenderwas Port
        Deep deep list and well recruited
        Serious coaching
        Serious strategy
        Serious execution

        Most in the inner sanctum at the swans feel when we get our contested footy right it is unstoppable

        I agree in part

        Ie contested footy when it?s on is hard to beat ......as long as u convert goals and as long as the other team doesn?t do it better then u

        Port did

        We still need a plan B

        We still need to be flexible against port or against gws re our transitions when under a he pump

        The gws game will I think speak volumes Re where we are at strategically and execution

        Have we evolved truly ?
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • RogueSwan
          McVeigh for Brownlow
          • Apr 2003
          • 4602

          #34
          Originally posted by mcs
          Now is not the time for mass changes or throwing in a bunch of players without experience. Id find a place for Newman, Reid and Jones if they are good to go.

          Out: schoolboy errors, sloppiness and inability to take our chances (outside of buddy).

          In: The swans football we love and enjoy, composure and better decision making.
          This. Too many dropped marks (and missed targets). If we held onto those marks we have a chance to regain some control of the game and stop Port getting easy (easier) goals.
          Also IN: Hayward and Papley back to the forward line and
          OUT: of the midfield.
          "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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          • O'Reilly Boy
            Warming the Bench
            • Feb 2014
            • 474

            #35
            I'm really worried about the ruck situation. I have taken the point about the merits of playing only one, of conceding the taps etc, and on the stats Sinclair looked competitive in the HO stat on Sunday night. But he was cactus in the second half and offered nothing around the ground, particularly when our game shifted?for whatever reason (fatigue, dewy ball)?to long balls to contests along the line to clear the D50. it was like watching the 2016 GF, where Boyd just kept picking us off and the result was the same: repeats I50s, pressure on an increasingly unsettled defensive set up.

            I've also long been a Rohan fanboy, but he's not in it at the moment, for whatever reason. Needs a break from it.

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            • mcs
              Travelling Swannie!!
              • Jul 2007
              • 8149

              #36
              Originally posted by longmile
              He's been playing mostly midfield
              I know Papley has been doing more than ok in midfield (one could argue he has been one of the more impressive players in there in the first two games), but we need him desperately back in the forward line for more of the game, starting this week against the Giants.
              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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              • Aprilbr
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2016
                • 1803

                #37
                To me the team while our team is very talented it has two major weaknesses this year. 1. An over-reliance on Buddy (I saw a stat suggesting that they went to him 45% on the weekend) 2. A ruck division well below many others. I think that 1. can be overcome with the addition of Reid. 2. Is much harder to address. Neither Sinclair or Cameron look likely to evolve into a topline ruckman so I?m not hopeful on that one. Our best bet is to shark tap outs as best we can.


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                • Plugger1300
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 310

                  #38
                  Papley to stay in the F50 with Buddy
                  Especially with Bud in hot form
                  Constantly bringing the ball to ground

                  Also agree with some posters
                  Lets not jump at shadows. Yes we have some issues but we should be 2-0
                  Hopefully with the loss they are highlighted and we can work on them

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Aprilbr
                    To me the team while our team is very talented it has two major weaknesses this year. 1. An over-reliance on Buddy (I saw a stat suggesting that they went to him 45% on the weekend)

                    2. A ruck division well below many others.

                    I think that 1. can be overcome with the addition of Reid.
                    2. Is much harder to address. Neither Sinclair or Cameron look likely to evolve into a topline ruckman so I?m not hopeful on that one. Our best bet is to shark tap outs as best we can.
                    I agree on both points.

                    I think it's more than just having Reid in the lineup that solves the Buddy focus, although it will help. Moving the ball faster, especially in transition, forces the opposition to lose structure and we are more likely to find unattended players running toward goal. Easier said than done, because it obviously requires speed, clean ball handling and disposal skills. But that's what any premiership team is going to need.

                    We are unlikely to resolve the ruck situation anytime soon. There's no reason to think that even next year, that we are going to have a top 10 ruckman, so sharking the hitouts and defensive stoppage setups looks to be some remedy. It's hard for the Swans, who were stoppage kings for many years, to suddenly have to change. We need to play to our strengths and dominance at stoppages is no longer one of them.

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                    • Cainit
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Jul 2017
                      • 42

                      #40
                      Why not try Reid as full back and Reg up as a deep forward. I think we looked slow out of defence on the weekend .

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                      • barry
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        #41
                        It's too late in his career for Reg to reinvent himself as a forward. Its CHB or bench.

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                        • Ludwig
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          #42
                          Good to see the injury dwindling down to a nice level:

                          Jordan Dawson Quad 1 week
                          Dan Hannebery Knee Test
                          Alex Johnson Groin 1 week
                          Zak Jones Calf Test
                          Sam Naismith Knee Season
                          Toby Pink Ankle 5-7 weeks
                          Sam Reid Hamstring Test
                          Kurt Tippett Retired

                          AJ and Dawson only a week away from resuming in the ressies and Aliir off the list completely. I wonder if we will give Aliir a go in the seniors this week, but more likely will play ressies I would think.

                          Hopefully we get some more info on Jones, Hannebery and Reid once the injury update video is out. All 3 are important players for us.

                          Impressive GWS small forward Zac Langdon has a broken hand and will miss several weeks, although his name doesn't appear on the GWS injury list. We all know that Tom Scully fractured his ankle and will miss most of the season.

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16741

                            #43
                            I'd say there's close to zero chance that Aliir gets a run in the seniors this week. His only chance would be an injury to one of the incumbent taller defenders but even then, I suspect Marsh would be preferred to Aliir.

                            I like Aliir but he's a bit of a confidence player and he's also still inexperienced at senior level. I don't think it would do him any good to come into the senior team without a few weeks of solid NEAFL under his belt. He's not played any football for around a month now.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8545

                              #44
                              Originally posted by The Big Cat
                              So Newman should spit the dummy because he got dropped. Gee that's the character we need to encourage.
                              He's been with club for four season's now. Would you hang around when you keep getting dropped after a 21 possession game in a winning team? .....and while 6 possession players remain in the team?

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                              • jono2707
                                Goes up to 11
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 3326

                                #45
                                Originally posted by stevoswan
                                He's been with club for four season's now. Would you hang around when you keep getting dropped after a 21 possession game in a winning team? .....and while 6 possession players remain in the team?
                                Conversely why would you spit the dummy when omitted from the team for a week?

                                I think it was mystifying and barring anything we're not aware of, he should be back soon.

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