#AFL Round 12, Swans vs Saints, 7:25pm, Etihad #AFLSaintsSwans @sydneyswans

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Bloods05
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2008
    • 1641

    Originally posted by bloodspirit
    I find this quite persuasive. But what I find even more persuasive is that a match committee with better qualifications and judgment than us and, more especially, with access to much more detailed information and with even more time to think about these issues, thinks otherwise.

    This is not to say that the match committee can't be wrong (despite their generally good track record) or we can't disagree. Unfortunately it's difficult to dispute (as opposed to comment on) their decisions when we don't know their reasons for making them.

    I think we would mostly agree that the match committee doesn't always look to pick our best 22 every week. Sometimes they want to get development into young players. Sometimes they want to give senior players more time to rehab an injury even if they might offer more than the player who takes their place. Sometimes they want to give a player an opportunity to rediscover their form and show faith in them or to encourage a younger player. Possibly they sometimes even give players like Robbo a game to help decide whether they think he will ever cut it at the level or whether we should de-list him. I think Brandon Jack may have been given a game for this reason last year. Possibly they sometimes give a player a game when they have had really good form in the Reserves just to let them know they are not forgotten, not for sentimental reasons but rather to keep up the player's morale and help retain them at the club - or maybe not. Then of course there are the match ups and the game plan and the role that will be asked of a player (which often may be difficult to measure with stats - as in Rohan's case). It all makes it very difficult to predict or even to evaluate team selection (or even an individual player's game without close review).

    Earlier this year some here were criticising the selection of Hayward (who seemed out of form) and Florent (who possibly hadn't yet quite reached the level) ahead of others like Newman or Fox or Aliir or Dawson (despite his injury which was not well publicised) or whoever. Yet I suspect everyone would now say we made the right move playing them as the continuity of selection has allowed them to build some great form and we are reaping the rewards and will continue to do so.

    Robbo isn't best 22. May never be. Real chance he will be delisted this year and wind up playing for the Students. But he is also a versatile, hard working, selfless, courageous and dedicated depth player and I will trust him to play his role if the match committee trusts him enough to select him. Same goes for Marsh who, in my opinion, has definitely shown himself to be capable at AFL level. That said, I would now like us to select someone else for next match.
    Well said.

    Comment

    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8543

      Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
      Well, I'm glad it's working for you. But personally, I find it mystifying, to the point of distressing, the fact that Channel 7 seem to think that Brian is Australia's best AFL commentator. I mean, how does that happen??
      I think it's called 'self promotion' but (as we all know) it's actually 'fake news'.....if they say it enough, people might believe it. Seven are the masters of intensely annoying self promotion.......at least we won't hear the words "after the tennis" ever again.

      Comment

      • Meg
        Go Swannies!
        Site Admin
        • Aug 2011
        • 4828

        Originally posted by stevoswan
        I think it's called 'self promotion' but (as we all know) it's actually 'fake news'.....if they say it enough, people might believe it. Seven are the masters of intensely annoying self promotion.......at least we won't hear the words "after the tennis" ever again.
        But we will hear?after the cricket? so pain is set to continue .....

        Comment

        • Mel_C
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 4470

          Originally posted by stevoswan
          I think it's called 'self promotion' but (as we all know) it's actually 'fake news'.....if they say it enough, people might believe it. Seven are the masters of intensely annoying self promotion.......at least we won't hear the words "after the tennis" ever again.
          Channel 7 have the rights to the tennis for one more year so unfortunately we will be hearing it!

          Comment

          • stevoswan
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2014
            • 8543

            Originally posted by Meg
            But we will hear?after the cricket? so pain is set to continue .....
            So true.....

            Comment

            • Nico
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 11329

              Originally posted by lwjoyner
              Sure the first qrt was par excellence, But what about the last three qrts . we shoud have won that one by over 100 pts. It looked to me that out players had stopped running which is why our firt qrt was so great. For the last 3 we were not as adventurous and just stopped running. Taking too long to dispose of the ball after marking. Rampe in front of me in final qrt took a mark and pondered what to do with ball eventually turned over. An opportunity lost for %.
              We started to go sideways after half time and over handball through the centre. The first quarter showed just what direct football produces. In the first half we went direct to leading players then we decided that we should go laterally across half forward after half time and allow St Kilda to get players back. At one stage they had 5 players back without a Swan in sight. No doubt we took the foot off the pedal in the last quarter, but as a Swan supporter I just wanted more of the first half.

              I think Ollie was playing on the ball a lot more and not playing off half back. He was doing a heck of a lot of 2 way running and supporting the defenders. Looks a star in the making.

              Jones rarely makes a mistake of late and now really reads the play and runs to the right places to support or take the hand pass. Turned into a quality player.

              McCartin is showing that he will be a very good player for us. His tank gets better by the week and the coach used him at both ends of the ground. Just got to sort out his kicking.
              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

              Comment

              • Meg
                Go Swannies!
                Site Admin
                • Aug 2011
                • 4828

                Channel 7 couldn?t resist getting the McCartin brothers together for an interview on the field immediately after the match. I felt sorry for Paddy who was clearly pretty upset about the size of the loss - he repeatedly praised Tom and said how proud he was of him but was struggling to say anything else. Bit rough expecting him to be articulate so soon after a thumping.

                Comment

                • liz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16737

                  Originally posted by Nico
                  We started to go sideways after half time and over handball through the centre. The first quarter showed just what direct football produces. In the first half we went direct to leading players then we decided that we should go laterally across half forward after half time and allow St Kilda to get players back. At one stage they had 5 players back without a Swan in sight. No doubt we took the foot off the pedal in the last quarter, but as a Swan supporter I just wanted more of the first half.
                  The team may have taken the foot off the pedal in the final quarter but they still generated plenty of gettable scoring shots. They just weren't as accurate as in the first half (and the first quarter in particular). And I think the direct play in the first quarter said as much about the Saints lack of pressure as it did the Swans' approach. Not that our guys didn't play well - clearly they did - but a team doesn't often get to play against as woeful an opposition as the Saints provided in that first quarter.


                  I agree with your observation about overuse of handball as the game went on. Maybe it was just an opportunity to practice, but they were doing quite a lot of long, forward handballs that could have been short kicks. Handballs to moving players can create fast play, but loopy handballs to a guy that has to stop and wait tend to slow play down and invite the pressure.

                  Comment

                  • bloodspirit
                    Clubman
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 4448

                    Hayward fined $1500 for misconduct against Savage: Docker handed one-match ban for striking - AFL.com.au.
                    All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

                    Comment

                    • Plugger1300
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 310

                      I think you will find that at quarter time
                      The saints coaching staff would have put some plans in place so we couldn't continue to
                      pierce them through the middle
                      hence we didn't win by 200pts
                      Just a thought

                      Comment

                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        Well, that was worth the trip to Melbourne.
                        Albeit a bit disappointed we didn't beat them by over 100.
                        Seriously, we NEED the percentage.
                        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

                        Comment

                        • ugg
                          Can you feel it?
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15962

                          Coaches votes

                          9 Josh Kennedy (SYD)
                          5 Callum Sinclair (SYD)
                          4 Lance Franklin (SYD)
                          4 Luke Parker (SYD)
                          4 Isaac Heeney (SYD)
                          2 Zak Jones (SYD)
                          2 Oliver Florent (SYD)

                          Break down
                          Kennedy 5-4
                          Sinclair 5-0
                          Franklin/Parker/Heeney 4-0/3-1/3-1
                          Florent/Jones 2-0/2-0

                          Which coach thought Sinclair was BOG and which coach didn't think he was in the best 5 players?
                          Reserves live updates (Twitter)
                          Reserves WIKI -
                          Top Goalkickers| Best Votegetters

                          Comment

                          • stevoswan
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8543

                            Originally posted by ugg

                            Which coach thought Sinclair was BOG and which coach didn't think he was in the best 5 players?
                            Probably Richardson, because his ruckman Tom Hickey got one more hit out and only 13 less fantasy points than Sinclair.......but I agree, Sinkers was definitely in the top five players with his 4 goals (Hickey got none).

                            Comment

                            • MattW
                              Veterans List
                              • May 2011
                              • 4195

                              Originally posted by ugg
                              Coaches votes

                              9 Josh Kennedy (SYD)
                              5 Callum Sinclair (SYD)
                              4 Lance Franklin (SYD)
                              4 Luke Parker (SYD)
                              4 Isaac Heeney (SYD)
                              2 Zak Jones (SYD)
                              2 Oliver Florent (SYD)

                              Break down
                              Kennedy 5-4
                              Sinclair 5-0
                              Franklin/Parker/Heeney 4-0/3-1/3-1
                              Florent/Jones 2-0/2-0

                              Which coach thought Sinclair was BOG and which coach didn't think he was in the best 5 players?
                              Gotta admit, I like predicting this to myself every week, generally based on how the Swans players performed respective to their typical performance to extrapolate Longmire's votes.

                              Reckon:

                              Longmire:
                              5 Sinclair
                              4 Joey
                              3 Heeney
                              2 Florent
                              1 Franklin

                              Richardson:
                              5 Kennedy
                              4 Parker
                              3 Franklin
                              2 Jones
                              1 Heeney

                              Reckon Jones was stiff not to get votes from both.

                              Comment

                              Working...