#AFL Round 14 Weekly Discussion Thread

[barry]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BeautifulC...eco-mobile.mp4

This gives you the best view.

Still think 4 based on that. Had his arms going up to mark/spoil, then braced for contact. (Roughly, no doubt). 4 is a long suspension by today's standards.

[bloodspirit]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BeautifulC...eco-mobile.mp4

This gives you the best view.

Agreed. Thanks for posting.

Awful footage. Deserves whatever he gets. Not as bad as Hall's strike on Staker but times have changed, especially the attitude to protect the head.

[liz]

Lot of emotion about this one. Tribunal could do anything.
Out of interest what was the last BIG suspension the AFL dished out?

Depends on what you mean by BIG. BUGG got six last year for his off-the-ball hit on Mills. Don't think there have been any more recent of that length or over.

[barry]

Actually, the one it reminds me of is Steven may (gc) against Stephan Martin (lions) from 2 years ago. 5 weeks.

"Rough conduct, may ignores the ball and shirtfronts Brisbane s Stefan Martin, knocking him out in round four".

Arguably, Cameron wasn't ignoring the ball.

[Scottee]

Cameron was initially going for the ball but never shaped to mark. Saw Harris coming way too early and took his eyes off the ball. At least 5 weeks I reckon.

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[stevoswan]

No doubt it was a very dodgy act, bit using the Barry hall staker punch as a reference (7 weeks). Cameron was in a marking contest (or, in play), wasn't closed fist, and his head was turned away during contact.
6 weeks is like saying it's almost just as bad as hall's strike.

No, not a clenched fist, just an elbow....which is worse. Head position is irrelevant and Staker didn't suffer a brain bleed, just a very sore jaw, an 'unsplit' chin, and some mild concussion. Hall deserved 7 weeks, Cameron deserves definitely more than 4.

[Blood Fever]

No, not a clenched fist, just an elbow....which is worse. Head position is irrelevant and Staker didn't suffer a brain bleed, just a very sore jaw, an 'unsplit' chin, and some mild concussion. Hall deserved 7 weeks, Cameron deserves definitely more than 4.

IIRC Big Bad got 10 down to 7

[707]

Lot of emotion about this one. Tribunal could do anything.
Out of interest what was the last BIG suspension the AFL dished out?

In 2016 Jonas got six for flying arm that knocked out Gaff who played next week. Bugg got six for off the ball KO of Mills.

Cameron went in with fist clenched to spoil, never got to do that and raised his elbow/forearm. (Probably) didn't mean to ko him but intended to make him earn the contest, got the action (arm) and force wrong, must pay the penalty, it's what they do nowadays, you have to be responsible for the outcome of your actions.

If Cameron kept the arm down and shirt fronted him he may have not been ko'd and Cameron would have got 4/3 down to 3/2. Do the crime, cop the time.

GWS BF site is trying to put blame on Harris Andrews! Thought Healy was good OTC last night, said GWS have failed to manage the aftermath correctly or professionally, I agree they've been amateur and taken no responsibility.

AFL has to be mindful of the image of the game and protecting players. Imagine the legal ramifications if this is career and therefore income ending. Lawyers picnic!

[Swansongster]

The Hall incident was 13 years ago

Pedant alert: 2008 (early in the season from memory). A little over 10 years ago.

[I?m-uninformed2]

So, a few thoughts on this one.

I?m generally in the camp that the act rather than the outcome should dictate the penalty. For example, when Hodge tried to break Wingard?s neck on the behind post a few years ago, the act demanded a severe penalty. That he was a micro second out in impact shouldn?t have diminished the penalty.

Cameron?s act was always going to risk severe consequences, too. If you remember the Steven May hit on Stefan Martin a few years ago, sharp hits to the head meant Martin?s form suffered for close to 18 months.

The fact Harris actually had brain bleeding is in some ways irrelevant. The fact that Cameron?s act risked that outcome is what he should be judged on. The fact Cameron could have had a broken jaw from a deliberate action, or whether it was either the contact or the impact on hitting the ground that caused brain bleeding, or whether or not Andrews? career suffers badly, is not the issue.

It?s the fact Cameron brought all these risks into play through a deliberate choice. So in my mind, it?s as bad an act as he could have committed. Eight weeks minimum.

[RogueSwan]

Pedant alert: 2008 (early in the season from memory). A little over 10 years ago.

Sorry, got mixed up with the McGuire gut punch

[CureTheSane]

So, a few thoughts on this one.

I?m generally in the camp that the act rather than the outcome should dictate the penalty. For example, when Hodge tried to break Wingard?s neck on the behind post a few years ago, the act demanded a severe penalty. That he was a micro second out in impact shouldn?t have diminished the penalty.

Cameron?s act was always going to risk severe consequences, too. If you remember the Steven May hit on Stefan Martin a few years ago, sharp hits to the head meant Martin?s form suffered for close to 18 months.

The fact Harris actually had brain bleeding is in some ways irrelevant. The fact that Cameron?s act risked that outcome is what he should be judged on. The fact Cameron could have had a broken jaw from a deliberate action, or whether it was either the contact or the impact on hitting the ground that caused brain bleeding, or whether or not Andrews? career suffers badly, is not the issue.

It?s the fact Cameron brought all these risks into play through a deliberate choice. So in my mind, it?s as bad an act as he could have committed. Eight weeks minimum.

Yep, that's exactly where I sit.
Well explained.
Still say 6 though.
Someone should make a poll

[barry]

What did Hodge get for his wingard hit?. Wasn't he let off, or just a fine?

[I?m-uninformed2]

Three weeks down to two from memory

[Hotpotato]

Five for Cameron .