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  • longmile
    Crumber
    • Apr 2011
    • 3379

    #46
    Originally posted by dimelb
    I think this is worth a try, for the reasons given. He could be a very telling back-cum-midfielder to add to Jonesy.
    For someone who has been in the AFL as long as he has I just don't think he has the tank which is a shame considering his skill and his ability to seize some matchwinning moments

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    • Ludwig
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 9359

      #47
      It seems that Grundy has taken some of the flack for the good form of Tom Hawkins and Jack Riewoldt. I have made several comments in other threads that Grundy has no match up against Richmond and shouldn't play against them. This challenges the logic of playing him at all, since we would almost certainly have to go through Richmond to win the Premiership, so playing Grundy is tantamount to conceding the premiership.

      Grundy forces us to contract the operating space for the defence to work in, leading to the onslaught of pressure and repeated entries from opponents lining up outside our defensive 50 to send the ball back in after being kicked out in desperation. We are always on the back foot. What we want to do is expand the effective area of our defence and move it further from our goal which hopefully will change to inside 50s imbalance. It did in the NM game on Sunday. I suspect we will do well against GC, so we will most likely have to wait to see how things pan out in the final 5 weeks of the Home and Away season.

      We've had a terrible record on the inside 50s differential and how we managed to get through that with such a good record is a mystery, but it did catch up with us vs Geelong and Richmond. Realistically something had to change. So why not simply accelerate the process of transforming our defence, and team in general, to more of an attacking unit. Now we find ourselves going smaller and quicker, using the absence of McVeigh and Hanners to bring in some quicker players, like O'Riordan and Fox.

      We have a fair few core players out injured, so we have to come up with something new if we are find a formula that gives us some chance at the premiership. We still have plenty to work on, but at least we have a new direction.

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      • Hotpotato
        Senior Player
        • Jun 2014
        • 2290

        #48
        So the new coaches at the Swans , the likes of Mr Johnson are Mr Cox are bending Horses ear and he’s acting on it.
        At one game at the SCG (3/4 time) recently, I noticed Cox giving a far bigger and longer spray to the troops than any one.

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        • Markwebbos
          Veterans List
          • Jul 2016
          • 7186

          #49
          Reg is named as an emergency. I wonder if Marsh will be a late out, replaced by Grundy?

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          • ugg
            Can you feel it?
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 15978

            #50
            Andrew Wu reporting that Grundy has been left out for team balance. Which doesn’t make sense given that the Suns have two genuine tall forwards. I’d be more understanding if he was left out due to a choice between himself and Aliir, but really he’s been omitted in favour of Marsh who I believe is a limited defender.


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            • Melbourne_Blood
              Senior Player
              • May 2010
              • 3312

              #51
              Originally posted by dimelb
              I think this is worth a try, for the reasons given. He could be a very telling back-cum-midfielder to add to Jonesy.
              He has No tank . Gaz could be a lot of things , reality is he’ll probably never be the player we hoped. Good highlight reel but not a great career.


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              • AB Swannie
                Senior Player
                • Mar 2017
                • 1579

                #52
                I’m in two minds about this game and the changes made.

                My first mind sees it that we are basically trialling some new structures and rewarding Cameron for some outstanding form in the ressies. This is good and I’m happy with this.

                My other mind realises that we are playing the Gold Coast and so we may get a false positive out of these trials. It’s like giving a cricketer their first baggy green against the current West Indies. They’ll probably score a double hundred and look brilliant but we won’t really know how they will stack up against India.

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                • RogueSwan
                  McVeigh for Brownlow
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 4602

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Ludwig
                  It seems that Grundy has taken some of the flack for the good form of Tom Hawkins and Jack Riewoldt. I have made several comments in other threads that Grundy has no match up against Richmond and shouldn't play against them. This challenges the logic of playing him at all, since we would almost certainly have to go through Richmond to win the Premiership, so playing Grundy is tantamount to conceding the premiership. ...
                  Drawing a long bow there. The way the Tiggers were moving the ball Reiwoldt was getting the ball on a platter. The only way any of our defenders could have stopped those kicks would have been to have a third fill the space in front of him and even then he may have just jumped over them. It can't seeing any of our backs beating Reiwoldt on that day. Craig Bolton would have been a good matchup
                  Reg is a smart footballer with great stamina and is probably only behind Lloyd when it comes to back half kicking skills. Too soon to right off.

                  Grundy forces us to contract the operating space for the defence to work in...
                  Surely with Reg on the last line of defence this contraction is a result of the rest of the team filling the D50 not just one player.
                  It did in the NM game on Sunday. I suspect we will do well against GC, so we will most likely have to wait to see how things pan out in the final 5 weeks of the Home and Away season...
                  Specious argument with a one game sample.
                  We've had a terrible record on the inside 50s differential and how we managed to get through that with such a good record is a mystery,
                  Because of our consistent back line and their leadership? The inside 50 stat is probably more a realistic reflection of our midfield being down than our backs not performing.
                  "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                  • barry
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    #54
                    I fail to believe that Grundy has been dropped. He must be carrying and injury.
                    Ludwig (an AFL plant) seems to forget the quality performance Grundy put in in our win over Geelong earlier in the year.

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      #55
                      Originally posted by barry
                      I fail to believe that Grundy has been dropped. He must be carrying and injury.
                      Ludwig (an AFL plant) seems to forget the quality performance Grundy put in in our win over Geelong earlier in the year.
                      I’d be surprised too. Horse can be very contradictory in his treatment of senior players (Hanners v ROK). I guess we’ll find out more on Saturday whether he’s a late in, plays reserves or doesn’t play at all?

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                      • ugg
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                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15978

                        #56
                        Grundy named for the NEAFL
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                        • Markwebbos
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                          • Jul 2016
                          • 7186

                          #57
                          Originally posted by ugg
                          Grundy named for the NEAFL
                          Wow! Let see if he plays NEAFL

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                          • AB Swannie
                            Senior Player
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 1579

                            #58
                            Originally posted by ugg
                            Grundy named for the NEAFL
                            At Full Forward too!

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                            • giant
                              Veterans List
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 4731

                              #59
                              Damning Grundy for poor performances against Hawkins and Riewoldt seems harsh - they are probably the form forwards in the competition. Riewoldt was unbelievable that night and I'm not even convinced Grundy was playing on him much.

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                              • ugg
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                                • Jan 2003
                                • 15978

                                #60
                                Originally posted by AB Swannie
                                At Full Forward too!
                                He kicked 3 in his last reserves game (in 2008), so why not?!
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