The AFL - a national competition? (split thread)

[barry]

Gold Coast just need to get their act together from the top down, like every other failing club has done over the years. And unlike Fitzroy and South Melbourne, they will have the backing of the AFL to do so.

That's a simplistic ideal.

Swans and lions/bears are the only frontier clubs to have ever dragged themselves out of failure to success, and only by levers (cola, merger, AFL intervention) not available now.

Carlton may be able to drag themselves up. Different market. Suns cannot.

[U.S. Swan]

Three years ago, the AFL signed a TV deal worth $2.5 billion. Victoria has a population of approximately 6.4 million people. Queensland has a population of 4.7 million people. Perth has a population of over 1.6 million people. and NSW has a population of over 7.5 million people. Sports make most of their money in broadcasting. That's a lot of Maccas, Toyotas and NAB accounts! So, while I agree the Victoria Bias is real with the officiating, does anyone truly believe that the power's that be and the TV broadcasters who have paid that much money WANT the AFL to fail in non-Victorian states?

[Matty10]

Its not alarmism

It does read that way. 5% chance of survival - what are you basing that on? It is an unprovable, overly dramatic representation of the situation.

The AFL simply won’t let the northern markets die, but it is up to the clubs to find ways of building their team, culture and supporter base.


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[barry]

It does read that way. 5% chance of survival - what are you basing that on? It is an unprovable, overly dramatic representation of the situation.

The AFL simply won’t let the northern markets die, but it is up to the clubs to find ways of building their team, culture and supporter base.

They are letting the northern markets die. Sure, they are not dead yet.
Suns arent alive, they are in a coma. Prognosis poor. Greedy relatives are already fighting over heirlooms. Doctors thinking of pulling life support.

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Three years ago, the AFL signed a TV deal worth $2.5 billion. Victoria has a population of approximately 6.4 million people. Queensland has a population of 4.7 million people. Perth has a population of over 1.6 million people. and NSW has a population of over 7.5 million people. Sports make most of their money in broadcasting. That's a lot of Maccas, Toyotas and NAB accounts! So, while I agree the Victoria Bias is real with the officiating, does anyone truly believe that the power's that be and the TV broadcasters who have paid that much money WANT the AFL to fail in non-Victorian states?

On a long term view, it doesnt make sense to ditch northern states.
In a short term view, it does. TV commentators barack for popular teams. Popular teams poach talent from non-popular. This is what is happening now.

Long term and short term arent compatible.

[longmile]

Gill has been a serious stain on the AFL in his tenure. The VFL centricism is the strongest at the moment than I remember it ever being under Demitrou. I will never forgive the trade ban and the 2016 Premiership.

[Bloods05]

That's a simplistic ideal.

Swans and lions/bears are the only frontier clubs to have ever dragged themselves out of failure to success, and only by levers (cola, merger, AFL intervention) not available now.

Carlton may be able to drag themselves up. Different market. Suns cannot.

The Suns will get their levers. Count on it.

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Three years ago, the AFL signed a TV deal worth $2.5 billion. Victoria has a population of approximately 6.4 million people. Queensland has a population of 4.7 million people. Perth has a population of over 1.6 million people. and NSW has a population of over 7.5 million people. Sports make most of their money in broadcasting. That's a lot of Maccas, Toyotas and NAB accounts! So, while I agree the Victoria Bias is real with the officiating, does anyone truly believe that the power's that be and the TV broadcasters who have paid that much money WANT the AFL to fail in non-Victorian states?

Barry does.

[dejavoodoo44]

It does read that way. 5% chance of survival - what are you basing that on? It is an unprovable, overly dramatic representation of the situation.

The AFL simply won’t let the northern markets die, but it is up to the clubs to find ways of building their team, culture and supporter base.


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Yes, I doubt if the Queensland government or the Gold Coast council, would be all that chuffed, if it looked like the Suns were going to fold. The chief reason being, that Metricon then becomes essentially a white elephant. It might host an international one day cricket match per year, plus the occasional athletics meet, but apart from that, it will mainly be frequented by maintenance staff. So I suspect that nobody wants to see that situation.

Though one possible alternative, if the Suns do become a basket case, is handing over the license to the Southport Sharks. Which may make sense. They have a long history of fielding successful sides. The Sharks licensed venue, is one of the largest on the coast; with plenty of pokies, that I assume are profitable. And they also recently built an international hotel, as part of the Sharks complex. Plus they already have a large membership base, some which could be converted to AFL club members.
So, I think that AFL will be on the Gold Coast for a while.

[0918330512]

Why would you want University back?
Would you rather a VFL?

I didn’t say that at all. Not that you’d necessarily notice. I said I’d rather have University back than GW$. You have every right to endorse the Giants. As I have equal right to not care whether they succeed on or off the field. You’re also welcome to your anti-Victorian sentiment. Mine in an anti-non-Swans sentiment. For me GW$ is now up there with Collingwood and Hawthorn. Since it’s an opinion, it can’t really be argued and it’s futile to bother trying. Don’t like GW$. Don’t care that they’re from Sydney. I have an allegiance to a club, not a city or a State.

All current cities could host a grand final.

The Elmore football club could host a Grand Final.

Honestly.

Certainly a best of 3 series.
The biggest impact (downgrade) of movable grand final would be on MCC members.
The biggest impact (upgrade) of movable grand final would be for fans of teams outside of Melbourne. Thats roughly 20 million people at last count.

But having a "rare" grand final at the MCG would make it bigger than it is now.

Offset by grounds of smaller capacity. And fans outside of Melbourne have actually been known to fly into Melbourne to attend a Grand Final.

Your opinion it noted though ... many, many times

[barry]

The Suns will get their levers. Count on it.

You have great at the simplistic one-liners. "Stop the boats" fan I imagine.

I would rather they didnt need special levers which are discretionary. How long do they need to stay at the bottom. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years ?
Why not create (or go back to) the slightly level playing field. Northern clubs got a retention allowance which enabled them, if well run, to fight off go-home factors. And drop or change this stupid free agency model which is very anti-northern club.

They have tried 3 coaches, multitudes of players. I dont think you can blame culture of club any longer for their predicament. Its AFL's current agenda to drive them to the wall. Words may not say that, actions do.

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I didn’t say that at all. Not that you’d necessarily notice. I said I’d rather have University back than GW$.

Ok, explain why you'd want University ?

And if you did, how would you establish a team from scratch. Draft picks? Every team give up a player ?

or was it just a throw away line.?

[Matty10]

The AFL - a national competition? (split thread)

I have an allegiance to a club, not a city or a State.

That is where it starts and ends with me too.

I certainly wouldn’t have a problem with a GF being held elsewhere - and have no problem with someone promoting the idea, but it is the one known quantity in the AFL (good or bad), and people can plan accordingly.

[Blood Fever]

That is where it starts and ends with me too.

I certainly wouldn’t have a problem with a GF being held elsewhere - and have no problem with someone promoting the idea, but it is the one known quantity in the AFL (good or bad), and people can plan accordingly.

GF against higher ranked team at club's home ground will always be an unjust embarrassment for a national competition. Embarrassment that just can' t be glossed over.

[Matty10]

The AFL - a national competition? (split thread)

GF against higher ranked team at club's home ground will always be an unjust embarrassment for a national competition. Embarrassment that just can' t be glossed over.

I don’t see it that way at all. I’m not an advocate of the higher ranked team getting home field advantage for a GF. I would prefer it was neutral territory, or announced in advance of the season. As things are, the MCG is as close to neutral as you can get without being in a different state.


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[barry]

I don’t seem it that way at all. I’m not an advocate of the higher ranked team getting home field advantage for a GF. I would prefer it was neutral territory, or announced in advance of the season. As things are, the MCG is as close to neutral as you can get without being in a different state.

Lets be clear, the MCG is not neutral. In fact, in very few world sports is there a ground that is neutral.
Its simply uneconomical to keep a ground as neutral.

[Matty10]

I sometimes wonder whether I am being punked when I engage in debate on these forums. Either that or I am just conversing with unrelenting ideologues.

[Blood Fever]

I sometimes wonder whether I am being punked when I engage in debate on these forums. Either that or I am just conversing with unrelenting ideologues.

Not dealing with ideology but integrity. People are allowed to feel strongly about certain issues and stick strongly to what they believe in. Not about you personally.