The AFL - a national competition? (split thread)

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  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    Originally posted by Blood Fever
    Thanks Di - what about the arrogance of McGuire?
    Can't beat McGuire for arrogance - he has a medal for it.

    I don't agree with the best of three GF. Asking too much of the players.

    But I do like Tom Harley's idea that the ground should be reconfigured to the same dimensions as the leading club. The closest we'll get to fair for the next 30-odd years.

    And BF - thanks for the input, but if you want to abbreviate the moniker it's "dim". I'm M, not F!
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4040

      Originally posted by dimelb
      Can't beat McGuire for arrogance - he has a medal for it.

      I don't agree with the best of three GF. Asking too much of the players.

      But I do like Tom Harley's idea that the ground should be reconfigured to the same dimensions as the leading club. The closest we'll get to fair for the next 30-odd years.

      And BF - thanks for the input, but if you want to abbreviate the moniker it's "dim". I'm M, not F!
      No problem dim, I'm an M as well!

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      • Mel_C
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 4470

        I don't think I could handle a best of 3 grand final!

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        • goswannies
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2007
          • 3048

          Originally posted by Mel_C
          I don't think I could handle a best of 3 grand final!
          Don’t think I’d like to go to game 1 watch them lose and then miss game 2 and 3 if they won. Or the hollow feeling if I watched a win in game 1 only to have them lose the next two. Or the cost/ability to attend all 3. No need to American-ise our final system. I know it works for MLB, NBA etc, but IMO we just don’t need it.

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          • YvonneH
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2011
            • 1141

            Originally posted by barry
            i like the 3 game concept, but it's really just a workaround for the ridiculously long MCG deal of which McGuire was a key player.

            - - - Updated - - -

            Ironically, if pies win tomorrow, it will move the comp closer to a 3 game gf setup.
            I wouldn't put my house on it. The AFL would still
            - Deny that there is any advantage to MCG tenants.
            - Dismiss the idea that any other ground except MCG for the GF is on the table.
            - Last but not least acknowledge that it is a national competition and not just an extended VFL competition.

            Does that make sense?

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            • dejavoodoo44
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2015
              • 8513

              Originally posted by dimelb
              Can't beat McGuire for arrogance - he has a medal for it.

              I don't agree with the best of three GF. Asking too much of the players.

              But I do like Tom Harley's idea that the ground should be reconfigured to the same dimensions as the leading club. The closest we'll get to fair for the next 30-odd years.

              And BF - thanks for the input, but if you want to abbreviate the moniker it's "dim". I'm M, not F!
              Since I don't really see the 3 game idea getting up, one thing I'd like, would be if the AFL adopted the cricket system of neutral umpires. That is, if there is a Victorian team playing in the GF at the MCG, then the umpires should come from interstate: in much the same way that overseas umpires officiate in cricket tests played in Australia.
              I'm sure that the powers that be, would come up with many arguments the proposal, but I think that it would mean that the umpires would be less likely to be influenced by Melbourne media fairy tales, hostile crowd pressure, and the more subtle pressure of many of your family, friends and acquaintances, wanting the local Victorian team to win.

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              • Blood Fever
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 4040

                Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                Since I don't really see the 3 game idea getting up, one thing I'd like, would be if the AFL adopted the cricket system of neutral umpires. That is, if there is a Victorian team playing in the GF at the MCG, then the umpires should come from interstate: in much the same way that overseas umpires officiate in cricket tests played in Australia.
                I'm sure that the powers that be, would come up with many arguments the proposal, but I think that it would mean that the umpires would be less likely to be influenced by Melbourne media fairy tales, hostile crowd pressure, and the more subtle pressure of many of your family, friends and acquaintances, wanting the local Victorian team to win.
                Valid post but for your proposal to get up, AFL would have to admit to a problem. What are the chances?

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                • dejavoodoo44
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 8513

                  Originally posted by Blood Fever
                  Valid post but for your proposal to get up, AFL would have to admit to a problem. What are the chances?
                  Hmm, umpires for the GF; Ryan, Rosebury, and you guessed it, Stevic. That they keep on appointing Stevic, suggests that they're a fair way from admitting that there's a problem. Though if it becomes another case of the Victorian side being advantaged on the day, then that should only increase the pressure for change.

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                  • barry
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    I actually think Canberra boy,Razor Ray is the best umpire.

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                    • stevoswan
                      Veterans List
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 8545

                      Originally posted by barry
                      I actually think Canberra boy,Razor Ray is the best umpire.
                      Yes, I'm disappointed Razor didn't get the gig.....he poops on Stevic.

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                      • Blood Fever
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4040

                        Originally posted by barry
                        I actually think Canberra boy,Razor Ray is the best umpire.
                        Agree. His interaction with players annoys me but I think he is the best decision maker. Surprised he isn't out there today.

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                        • Blood Fever
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4040

                          Originally posted by dimelb
                          Notice the actual newspaper article in the Age today doesn't include the paragraph mentioning McGuire claimed Collingwood deserved preferential treatment because they beat top ranked Richmond. Inaccuracy or intimidation? McGuire protected species in Melbourne media again?

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                          • YvonneH
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 1141

                            Heard an idea voiced on TV (can't remember who by) that the MCG should be configured to the dimensions of the higher finishing team in the GF.

                            So that would mean if Geelong finished 2 and the Vic team finished 3 the MCG on GF day should be configured to the same dimensions as GMHBA statium.

                            Not a bad idea.

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                            • The Big Cat
                              On the veteran's list
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2350

                              Originally posted by Blood Fever
                              McGuire claimed Collingwood deserved preferential treatment because they beat top ranked Richmond. Inaccuracy or intimidation? McGuire protected species in Melbourne media again?
                              Using Eddie's logic, the swans should have played themselves in the GF because they had beaten WCE and the pies!
                              Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                              • CureTheSane
                                Carpe Noctem
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 5032

                                Originally posted by YvonneH
                                Heard an idea voiced on TV (can't remember who by) that the MCG should be configured to the dimensions of the higher finishing team in the GF.

                                So that would mean if Geelong finished 2 and the Vic team finished 3 the MCG on GF day should be configured to the same dimensions as GMHBA statium.

                                Not a bad idea.
                                Even if it's configured to random dimensions would be a good enough option.,
                                Best realistic solution I've heard
                                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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