Swans chat Coaching staff 2019 and beyond

[Auntie.Gerald]

If we all think back to Longmire taking over from Roos I was apprehensive

I really would have preferred Roos to stay

I didn’t think Horse would be able to improve on what Paul had started and achieved with the swans but Longmire did

I am not scared of change but I also don’t believe in change for change sake.

I do think performance is a strong benchmark and systems and personnel in place to key high performance is key

I do think though we should be looking at our succession planning now. The next few years I real Horse is the man unless we slide too much down the table

I also don’t feel any of the assistant coaches now are head coach material

I would like to propose that we should be targeting someone else for our midfield coaching in the near future ie for 2020 with the view to making them head coach by 2022/23 if they are successful

Their success with our midfield is key and their internal promotion like Longmire was after Roos is in my opinion our best bet unless we scored an Alistair Clarkson etc

The midfield depth right now after trade week is the most leveled out across the competition in my opinion.

The talent is spread very very well amongst the top 12 teams minimum

We need to be looking for any advantage right now that we can. One of the ways we can boost our midfield performance is bring in a serious emerging coach. someone who can come in and truly be a coach to drive our midfield to the next level and possibly be a succession for head coach in the next 3-5yrs

If this midfield coach doesn’t fit and or doesn’t perform then we make that change quickly to remove them

My gut feeling is that Kirk, cox and stevie J are all good coaches but for me not head coach level and this makes a real difference in grooming a possible new head coach in day 3yrs or so from now.

I love Kirky but I think we have fallen behind in our midfield vs the top 10 teams and we need every edge we can

I do feel though that we should be targeting someone for 2020 that will bring a different vibe energy experience and take charge of our midfield

Harley added to the top role for now is enough change in senior management. and consolidation with cox and stevie J is important this season coming

Harley and Longmire working together effectively is an important combo for the next couple of years minimum

I do feel though that bringing in a serious emerging coach with incredible football success would rejuvenate our midfield.

If this was our strategy I would lean towards a Michael Voss type personality, experience, success as a player and learnt under some very good coaches as a player and a coach. He learnt the hard way with a non Vic club and would be wiser for it.

What’s your opinion ?

[sprite]

I agree there is a need for a succession plan, previously I thought Stewie Dew was the anointed one.

I hope we can move Kirk on as soon as possible, I said in another post he was a good average player who to me doesn't have any credentials to be a coach. He may be better suited to player welfare.

I wouldn't write Stevie J off just yet, he has been continuously touted as senior coach material. If he moves to either mids coach or to a senior strategy role and is successful then he may well be worthy to step up.

The main question is who, is out there that is or could be available to move into a senior support role?

[barry]

I wouldnt worry about it. Longmire will be here for another 5 years at least.

[O'Reilly Boy]

I agree there is a need for a succession plan, previously I thought Stewie Dew was the anointed one.

I hope we can move Kirk on as soon as possible, I said in another post he was a good average player who to me doesn't have any credentials to be a coach. He may be better suited to player welfare.

I wouldn't write Stevie J off just yet, he has been continuously touted as senior coach material. If he moves to either mids coach or to a senior strategy role and is successful then he may well be worthy to step up.

The main question is who, is out there that is or could be available to move into a senior support role?

Dew may still be an option. The move to Suns fits with the not uncommon model across many fields of a shift sideways in order to move up within the original organisation.

[Blood Fever]

I agree there is a need for a succession plan, previously I thought Stewie Dew was the anointed one.

I hope we can move Kirk on as soon as possible, I said in another post he was a good average player who to me doesn't have any credentials to be a coach. He may be better suited to player welfare.

I wouldn't write Stevie J off just yet, he has been continuously touted as senior coach material. If he moves to either mids coach or to a senior strategy role and is successful then he may well be worthy to step up.

The main question is who, is out there that is or could be available to move into a senior support role?

Not sure why you are critical of Brett Kirk or why you have forgotten he was an inspiring gun as a player. He is one of the few assistant coaches going around with the highest accredited qualifications which Stewart Dew acquired as well. He is also steeped in the Bloods culture as one of the founders in or around 2003. Accordingly, he gave everything in each game he played. Lachie Neale, for one, has acknowledged him as a huge influence along with Hanneberry, Jack and McVeigh. I for one would be happy to see him as senior coach.

[Vonsteinman]

Not sure why you are critical of Brett Kirk or why you have forgotten he was an inspiring gun as a player. He is one of the few assistant coaches going around with the highest accredited qualifications which Stewart Dew acquired as well. He is also steeped in the Bloods culture as one of the founders in or around 2003. Accordingly, he gave everything in each game he played. Lachie Neale, for one, has acknowledged him as a huge influence along with Hanneberry, Jack and McVeigh. I for one would be happy to see him as senior coach.

Agreed, and to further add that the list of successful professional coaches in this sport is littered with former players considered to be of not much better than average ability, who got the absolute best out of themselves.

[sprite]

Not sure why you are critical of Brett Kirk or why you have forgotten he was an inspiring gun as a player. He is one of the few assistant coaches going around with the highest accredited qualifications which Stewart Dew acquired as well. He is also steeped in the Bloods culture as one of the founders in or around 2003. Accordingly, he gave everything in each game he played. Lachie Neale, for one, has acknowledged him as a huge influence along with Hanneberry, Jack and McVeigh. I for one would be happy to see him as senior coach.

Umm "inspiring gun player", as Jack Dyer would good average player with limited skills. The only thing he had going was a solid tagger, he may be a motivator and that could be his strength.

Since he took over the mids this year - what happened with the same cattle from previous year - we went backwards. He didn't change anything.

[Blue Sun]

Umm "inspiring gun player", as Jack Dyer would good average player with limited skills. The only thing he had going was a solid tagger, he may be a motivator and that could be his strength.

Since he took over the mids this year - what happened with the same cattle from previous year - we went backwards. He didn't change anything.

I feel like the Mills injury had a serious impact on the midfield.

[Blood Fever]

Umm "inspiring gun player", as Jack Dyer would good average player with limited skills. The only thing he had going was a solid tagger, he may be a motivator and that could be his strength.

Since he took over the mids this year - what happened with the same cattle from previous year - we went backwards. He didn't change anything.

So he's responsible for physical decline of Hanneberry and Jack and has had nothing to do with development of Hewitt and Heeney?

[sprite]

So he's responsible for physical decline of Hanneberry and Jack and has had nothing to do with development of Hewitt and Heeney?

No, he wasn't. But the structures and style of play didn't change. Hewett developed into an excellent tagger while Heeney floated in and out the centre while playing predominantly as a forward.

It's my opinion and I don't see him as the messiah, just a good average battler with great interpersonal skills.

[Blood Fever]

No, he wasn't. But the structures and style of play didn't change. Hewett developed into an excellent tagger while Heeney floated in and out the centre while playing predominantly as a forward.

It's my opinion and I don't see him as the messiah, just a good average battler with great interpersonal skills.

Don't see him as a messiah or the new Dalai Llama but reckon he'd be more than adequate.. By the way, if you put emphasis on average football skills, if you look in the dictionary under 'absolute battler', there's a picture of Alistair Clarkson there. Kirk three times the player he was.

[Markwebbos]

I don't buy into this average player = average coach idea. If anything I think it's gifted player that struggle to explain what came naturally to them.
One thing Kirk has less of compared to Dew is experience.

2019 feels like the year when we will really find out how good our list and our coaches are.

[sharp9]

I have a foot in both camps. Our midfield was comprehensively beaten nearly every week this year....we barely won an inside 50 count at all...however our defence and forwards generally outperformed others (factoring in the massively lopsided inside 50 count)....so....if we can fix this one thing we will be contenders....if not, we won't. So you have to question Brett Kirk and Dean Cox....
On the other hand, as a general rule, the best players make the worst coaches - Hird, Voss, Leppitsch, Frawley, Watson anyone??? Buckley has taken 9 years to (possibly) become a decent coach. 9. Years. The players who should make the best coaches are those who REALLY had to work on their own games and then did so to become champions DESPITE not being very innately talented. So, by my theory Brett Kirk, de-listed rookie who became an All Australian, premiership player, captain and (I'm guessing) club champion, fits that bill perfectly. He is also very intelligent, unselfish and a real people person.Don't forget the Cox was a rookie too, so it's not like he had it on a silver platter. In my opinion Hird, Voss and Buckley - the tripod of legendary players from when I first became hooked on football, literally cannot comprehend what it is like to play the game without the talents they possessed themselves. - and that is why they failed as coaches. Maybe, just maybe, Buckley has learned from his failure and will prove to be a decent coach. If he had been coaching any other team, with any other president he would have been fired last year. Leigh Matthews is the great exception. Malthouse, Sheedy and Thompson were moderately talented players who had to fight and scrap to get every last ounce out of themselves, but rose to become champions anyway. that would be the preferred pedigree for a coach because he needs to inspire that grit in 44 players under his management. Can you imagine having that charm magnet Michael Voss as a coach? "Geez Brendan I don't understand why you didn't kill that first bloke, fend off the second, carry half the team on your own back, do a 360 then kick it post high from 50 on your left? - That's what I would have done! what's wrong with you, you useless mongrel?"

[KSAS]

Is Paul Roos another exception to this coaching rule (like Matthews)? Longmire did kick 98 goals in a single season as a 19yo if I recall correctly? Not sure if he also fits the expcetion of a champion making a good coach category. Have gut feeling Rhyce Shaw will make a good senior coach as well.

[Markwebbos]

Is Paul Roos another exception to this coaching rule (like Matthews)? Longmire did kick 98 goals in a single season as a 19yo if I recall correctly? Not sure if he also fits the expcetion of a champion making a good coach category. Have gut feeling Rhyce Shaw will make a good senior coach as well.

Longmire got injured and had to fight like a less talented player after that. So I think can see both POV