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  • KTigers
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2012
    • 2499

    #46
    Originally posted by CureTheSane
    They are pretty fair points.
    Will possibly be a huge regret if the structure of the competition changes over that period.

    In 1978 (40 years ago) we had
    12 teams in the competition
    no interstate teams
    games played at local ground
    1 game per week at the MCG
    a night series
    attendance less than half what it is now, which is somewhat reflective of...
    138 games player compared to 207
    average player payments of 15% of the average wage
    TV rights were held between ch2 and ch7 at $600,000 per year

    Smacks of a very Victorian centric AFl, who are worried about future national developments and want to lock it in to Victoria for a long time.
    Fast forward 10 to 15 years and we'll likely be discussing the pros and cons of buying out of the 40 year contract with the MCG.
    My favourite is the argument that the MCG is the only stadium "big enough" to hold the GF (for 40 years). You only have
    to look at the list of stadiums used to host AFL games that are now no longer with us, or not being used for games to see just how fleeting
    the stadium business can be. Waverley, AAMI, Subiaco, ANZ, a litany of Melbourne suburban grounds, wherever the Bears used to play.
    These places come and go.
    There will be new stadiums built and knocked down between now and 2057. Sure the SCG, Adelaide Oval, Gabba & MCG will probably still
    be around then, but I'll be very surprised if any of the others are still around in 40 years. People seem to forget the capacity of ANZ during
    the 2000 Olympics was 130,000. The extra stands holding 55,000 seats were for an event that ran for two weeks. Then they pulled them down.
    As I said, it's a very fleeting business, the stadium game. So the "big enough" argument is ridiculous, and even more so when you consider
    what the population of Australia is likely to be in 40 years.

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4040

      #47
      Originally posted by Boddo
      I fully agree it’s not just ground dimensions. It’s one part.

      As I pointed out in another post in regards to crowd make up the GF would always have more supporters from Victoria due to the vast majority of MCC members being from Victoria due to it not being worth while have an MCC membership if your from outside Victoria. That’s part of the atmosphere.

      You add these 2 together n you can see how much of a massive advantage it is for Victorian clubs playing in the GF at the MCG.

      The point I was making is that if the administrators wanted a truly fair GF they would have considered these things plus more and tried to negotiated these into a new contract with the MCC.

      Instead they grabbed the magic beans n ran.

      Do people really think in twenty years time we’ll look back at the contract signing n go “wow what a deal”. No they’ll laugh n think we were all sold a lemon.

      The MCC made out like bandits.


      Yes I agree Adelaide would have destroyed Richmond. Would have been over very very early. Ala Geelong thrashing Port in ‘07. Richmond are the most pathetic premiers behind The Bulldogs imo.
      Spot on. As I've posted ad nauseum: embarrassment of a national competition, to be ridiculed for the next forty years. Don't be surprised if another premier extends it beyond 2057, ridiculous as it would seem. Never under estimate Melbourne footy community's insularity and delusion.

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      • wolftone57
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2008
        • 5835

        #48
        Originally posted by CureTheSane
        Category: | Herald Sun

        Actually like the idea.
        Also have been a long term proponent of expanding the whole finals system.
        Hate that you play 22 rounds to end with 8 teams, lose 2 instantly, and then more each week.
        Can't read the article as you have to subscribe to News Corp and I'm not willing to give Murdoch even one dollar of my money. s there a similar article in the Age/SMH?

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        • CureTheSane
          Carpe Noctem
          • Jan 2003
          • 5032

          #49
          Originally posted by bloodspirit
          Neat post, CTS. Do you carry all that data at your finger tips?!
          Conceivably, yes, I am deceptively knowledgeable and have an amazing memory.
          Realistically, no, I googled it

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          Originally posted by wolftone57
          Can't read the article as you have to subscribe to News Corp and I'm not willing to give Murdoch even one dollar of my money. s there a similar article in the Age/SMH?
          Sorry. When I saw the link, I clicked and could read it.
          Maybe they have a time before it becomes a subscription article?
          I don't subscribe to any online news websites.
          The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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          • Boddo
            Senior Player
            • Mar 2017
            • 1049

            #50
            Originally posted by Blood Fever
            Spot on. As I've posted ad nauseum: embarrassment of a national competition, to be ridiculed for the next forty years. Don't be surprised if another premier extends it beyond 2057, ridiculous as it would seem. Never under estimate Melbourne footy community's insularity and delusion.
            It’s a sham of a league that’s run to make a few mates some money. It’s why you get a club president being part of the signing of the GF contract.

            Do people seriously think McGuire got the government, MCC & AFL together just out of the goodness of his heart? Of course there is something in it for him, no doubt and as has been pointed out there is something in it for his club.

            Melbourne is a great place to live if you were lucky like me to live in a suburb like Richmond but when it comes to footy the population there is as insular, ignorant and illiterate as you will ever find.

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            • S.S. Bleeder
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2014
              • 2165

              #51
              Originally posted by CureTheSane
              They are pretty fair points.
              Will possibly be a huge regret if the structure of the competition changes over that period.

              In 1978 (40 years ago) we had
              12 teams in the competition
              no interstate teams
              games played at local ground
              1 game per week at the MCG
              a night series
              attendance less than half what it is now, which is somewhat reflective of...
              138 games player compared to 207
              average player payments of 15% of the average wage
              TV rights were held between ch2 and ch7 at $600,000 per year

              Smacks of a very Victorian centric AFl, who are worried about future national developments and want to lock it in to Victoria for a long time.
              Fast forward 10 to 15 years and we'll likely be discussing the pros and cons of buying out of the 40 year contract with the MCG.
              Wow! Amazing stats there. And to think the TV rights were only $600k. No social media back then either. What a bargain.

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              • Boddo
                Senior Player
                • Mar 2017
                • 1049

                #52
                Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
                McGuire, being a very strong Labor man, is also very good mates with the Andrews government. No surprises there.
                It shows how much contempt was shown to the non Victorian sides when this fact was not even hidden it was openly reported and discussed about the involvement of a club president in the extension of a contract without F all discussion with every other club.

                Like I’ve said previously its a mates club to make each other richer via a sports entertainment business.

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                • AnnieH
                  RWOs Black Sheep
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 11332

                  #53
                  I"m OK with the granny being played at the MCG for the next 400 years... so long as teams like Collingwood, Richmond and Melbourne (to name just three), travel more frequently interstate to play their games.
                  Especially Collingwood.

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                  Last edited by liz; 22 November 2018, 10:08 AM. Reason: Post split between two threads
                  Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                  Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                  • jono2707
                    Goes up to 11
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 3326

                    #54
                    We shouldn't be thinking of the AFL as a national league. It's not. It's just the VFL that grew and cleverly extended it's reach into WA and SA, the only other two "big" Aussie Rules states, with NSW and Qld mere add-ons. It's still, in essence, the VFL, just bigger and shinier.

                    We should forget this concept of a 'fair' 'balanced' national competition with rotating grand finals yada yada. Always has and always will be a Melbourne based competition. I think those running the Swans accept that and we, as fans, should too.

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                    • aardvark
                      Veterans List
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 5685

                      #55
                      Originally posted by jono2707
                      We should forget this concept of a 'fair' 'balanced' national competition with rotating grand finals yada yada. Always has and always will be a Melbourne based competition. I think those running the Swans accept that and we, as fans, should too.
                      Yes. It just makes it all the more sweeter when we get it all together and win it!

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                      • Boddo
                        Senior Player
                        • Mar 2017
                        • 1049

                        #56
                        Originally posted by jono2707
                        We shouldn't be thinking of the AFL as a national league. It's not. It's just the VFL that grew and cleverly extended it's reach into WA and SA, the only other two "big" Aussie Rules states, with NSW and Qld mere add-ons. It's still, in essence, the VFL, just bigger and shinier.

                        We should forget this concept of a 'fair' 'balanced' national competition with rotating grand finals yada yada. Always has and always will be a Melbourne based competition. I think those running the Swans accept that and we, as fans, should too.
                        You sound like a troll or Eddie McGuire.

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                        • jono2707
                          Goes up to 11
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 3326

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Boddo
                          You sound like a troll or Eddie McGuire.
                          Please explain why you'd make such an offensive assertion (the Eddie bit that is)?

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                          • Boddo
                            Senior Player
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 1049

                            #58
                            Originally posted by jono2707
                            Please explain why you'd make such an offensive assertion (the Eddie bit that is)?
                            So your a troll. Congratulations, well done.

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                            • 56-14
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Dec 2015
                              • 260

                              #59
                              Originally posted by jono2707
                              We shouldn't be thinking of the AFL as a national league. It's not. It's just the VFL that grew and cleverly extended it's reach into WA and SA, the only other two "big" Aussie Rules states, with NSW and Qld mere add-ons. It's still, in essence, the VFL, just bigger and shinier.

                              We should forget this concept of a 'fair' 'balanced' national competition with rotating grand finals yada yada. Always has and always will be a Melbourne based competition. I think those running the Swans accept that and we, as fans, should too.
                              Support your post. Well put.

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16736

                                #60
                                Please try to stay on topic. Posts relating to local politics (that have nothing to do with football) have been moved to the Open Chat forum.

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