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Zac Foot born in 2001 ?Comment
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Wow that makes me feel old.Comment
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I think you've badly twisted what CTS is saying.
Goodes was a great footballer and leader at the Swans, and is still a great man. While his indigenous heritage has clearly shaped him, and also influenced his leadership role within the broad AFL competition, it didn't define him as a player or a leader within the club. He was great regardless of his heritage.
Reserving the number 37 just for a young indigenous player is what (to me, at least) comes across as "segregating and devisive", potentially at least. Any young player arriving at our club - indigenous Australian or not - should aspire to be what Goodes was and be proud to wear his number, if it was offered to him.Comment
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Indeed. You are quite wrong here Liz. The idea that it is "divisive" to reserve a number for indigenous players, especially one that has been made famous by one who became, and continues to be, a leader in the indigenous community, is a clear example of a rhetorical device that has been used to devastating effect by those who seek to discredit efforts to enhance the status of first peoples in this country. You are being far too generous. Stevoswan is right on the money.Comment
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I approve of the gesture of setting aside 37, in fact I'm proud of it. In relation to allocating the number to another player, I'd hope and would expect they'd take into account Adam's wishes.Comment
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I would be happy for #37 to be retired permanently, at the same time for it to be re-allocated at a later date is fine with me.
I guess that makes me undecided.Comment
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I agree with CTS, the retirement of a number is an over reaction. When it comes to Adam Goodes or any other great players, I think it's their deeds and exploits and not the number that is the reason for their greatness. In other words the number does not make them great or successful. For example Roger Dangerfield had number 32 with Adelaide but has 35 with Geelong. Does either number make him a better player, so what I am trying to say is, honour and remember the player for his deeds and exploits, for the number is a way of identification, locker room allocation, registration on rosters etc. Numbers do not have magic powers which is passed on.Comment
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Liz is absolutely right.
To get that from what I said is just putting words in my mouth that were never there.
There is no reason a young indigenous player shouldn't get the jumper, but saving it for a specific skin colour is wrong to me.
Simply, it cheapens the jumper.
It cheapens it in exactly the same way as giving Mills #14 kind of cheapened it for me.
Craig Bird was a great player to wear it, as not everyone needs to be a superstar to perpetuate the 'tradition' of the number.
What makes the numbers special is that they are given out and from time to time there will come a star and they will happen to have a jumper that has a rich tradition to add to.
Your comment to me is bordering on calling me racist, which I don't appreciate at all.
I don't need an 'out' from anyone, but I appreciate the understanding and explanation provided by Liz.
For what it's worth, there are times I would support retirement of a jumper, probably not permanently though.
Darren Millane would be a good example.The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.Comment
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Pfft.
17 should be reserved for the irish
27 for Americans
Reserving 37 for indigenous Australians would definitely be seen as divisive by many football fans, particularly the ones who booed Goodes.
Add to that, I'd suggest that throwing a young player into the position would be setting him up to deal with a whole bunch of problems to add to him developing as a footballer.
The Goodes issue brought racism issues into football.
The sport acted as a hotspot to debate racism, bullying and 'the spotlight'
The issue has not disappeared, and will raise its ugly head again at some time.
I would be wanting to protect any new indigenous player from the ugliness rather than throwing them into the fire.The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.Comment
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