2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[wolftone57]

Look Mate , All going well this kid won’t play a game this year . He’s been Brought in as back up . As you said he’s not a defender, unfortunately it is now a week before the season ; after both the national draft and rookie draft have taken place , so it looks as though we took the best tall player available , regardless of his preferred position. A lot of young talls start out in one half the ground and end up playing most of their careers in the other half. You’re complaining he’s not a defender. Reid hasn’t strung enough good footy together at either end of the ground to suggest where he is best suited. And Mccartin has proven he can take a grab and compete and has a tank to boot. His best position could be in any third of the ground at this stage , or even all three. I’m just offering some solutions to your obvious displeasure at the swans taking this kid in the preseason SSP as he is more of a forward/ruck . Which other star defender do you think we should have taken instead wolf ?


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I did not complain he is not a defender. I remarked he was not a defender. There is a big difference. He might be another Reg, make the move back and be incredibly successful. But that takes time. What I did point out however was how crap as a defender Reid is.

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[Melbourne_Blood]

I did not complain he is not a defender. I remarked he was not a defender. There is a big difference. He might be another Reg, make the move back and be incredibly successful. But that takes time. What I did point out however was how crap as a defender Reid is.

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I disagree. I think he has performed decently as a defender at Times and if god forbid we need to put someone from our front half down there this year at times I think Reid could do that job. Is it ideal, no.


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[wolftone57]

Look Mate , All going well this kid won’t play a game this year . He’s been Brought in as back up . As you said he’s not a defender, unfortunately it is now a week before the season ; after both the national draft and rookie draft have taken place , so it looks as though we took the best tall player available , regardless of his preferred position. A lot of young talls start out in one half the ground and end up playing most of their careers in the other half. You’re complaining he’s not a defender. Reid hasn’t strung enough good footy together at either end of the ground to suggest where he is best suited. And Mccartin has proven he can take a grab and compete and has a tank to boot. His best position could be in any third of the ground at this stage , or even all three. I’m just offering some solutions to your obvious displeasure at the swans taking this kid in the preseason SSP as he is more of a forward/ruck . Which other star defender do you think we should have taken instead wolf ?


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We are looking for a quick solution to a gap was my point. If Reg gets injured there is a definite gap. Maibaum looked poised to fill that gap this year should it have occurred. What this move does is bring a young bloke that would have to be trained to fill that gap at short notice into the equation.

If we are filling the Ruck gap then it is understandable. But to fill a key back gap? Probably not at this stage. I don't think McCartin is, far enough along in his development to take a key back position either. He is, a good player who has also played forward and not back. He will be good fir us no matter what end of the ground he plays but again given time. To fill a key back position, especially playing on the monsters, is incredibly hard. It is probably the hardest spot on a footy field and many young backs have been destroyed. Just ask Liam Jones, Harris-Andrews, Zac Dawson.

I am very aware this is spur of the moment, players recruiting on the run. But generally when you have a gap you try to get someone who can fill that gap. Obviously the identified gap was ruck. I'm not going to bother saying forward because the bloke kicked 9goals in 13 games last year in the VFL. A key forward needs to do better than that. Probably filling the just in case Naismith and Cameron don't get up.

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[S.S. Bleeder]

I reckon the signing of McLean is as much cover for the vacated Tippett spot as for Maibaum. The club possibly thought it was already a little light on for ruck/forward options, and that's been made starker by the slower than expected recovery of Naismith and the knock that Cameron took to his knee in the GWS practice game, the severity of which we (outside the club) know little.

Didn't we recruit Cameron when we knew that Tippett was finishing/finished? If it was to cover Tippett we should have brought in another ruck in the last two draft periods. Maybe it is more to do with the rule changes and us underestimating the importance of rucks under this rule at the last draft.

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Reid can play back can he? I have yet to see any evidence of any success of that move. In fact the last time he played back for a whole match he cot 4 goals kicked on him.

McCartin is still not developed to play back. Not strong enough against key forwards that Grundy has to play on.

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Reidy okay as a KPD. He's been a swingman ever since I can remember.

[Ludwig]

It's been typical that we've given our KPP draftees some time a both ends of the ground to help diversify their games and see where they are best suited. Maibaum had played some time forward as a junior and we tried him forward a few games, but he didn't do very well, so settled on being a defender.

Toby Pink has played forward, back and in the ruck as a junior. He probably won't make the grade anyway, but if he he does, I think his best chance is as a defender.

I wouldn't mind seeing Amartey given some time as a defender this year. I think he can be come a true versatile utility KPP.

McCartin and Blakey are both well suited to playing forward, which could close the door on some of those other potential forwards, like Amartey, and now McLean, unless they can handle playing as a KPD and ruckman.

I'm hoping that Amartey will turn into a Justin Westoff type who can turn up and play any part of the ground.

With key forwards seemingly getting taller with every new draft, we could use a taller type of key defender.

[bloodspirit]

I've had a couple of thoughts about recruitment: I found myself reflecting on something I read about our recruitment of JPK a little while ago - actually I just found the article, here it is: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...18-p4zg3l.html. What emerges from this article is that it was actually JPK's agent, Paul Connors, who put JPK on our radar when he answered Andrew Ireland's question about who was the best player on his (i.e. Connors') list who wasn't getting a game.

This leads me to think:

* agents have some (no doubt variable and not unlimited) influence in where their players go

* players that one thinks might be off limits/out of reach, may not be.

This year we seem to have some money to spend and, in my opinion, our priority is probably to get another elite midfielder the right age (depending of course on how our season plays out and how the likes of Heeney, Mills, Florent, Papley, Clarke et. al. do with more midfield time). Who might we be able to get? Jack Macrae? Brad Crouch? I wonder how much time our recruiters are thinking about this and what answers they are coming up with....

The Bulldogs have a really strong midfield group and don't seem to be an entirely happy club. They also have a fair bit of money tied up with Tom Boyd and, to a much lesser extent, Josh Schache. Can we target one of their mids? If we have to trade, what do we have to give? This is the advantage of getting a free agent but Stephen Coniglio is the only really exciting one. Melbourne have an amazing list and may not be able to continue to afford everyone. I seem to have a bit of time to speculate this afternoon....

[stevoswan]

Naismith setback.....bummer.

Knee surgery to delay Sydney ruckman’s return - AFL.com.au

Explains why Sinclair was withdrawn from the last JLT match. The article also says Sinclair is expected to sign a new contract for 2-3 years in the next few weeks. Wise move....

[aguy]

We so needed preuss rather than Melbourne. He would have been our next generation ruck

[Aprilbr]

Naismith setback.....bummer.

Knee surgery to delay Sydney ruckman’s return - AFL.com.au

Explains why Sinclair was withdrawn from the last JLT match. The article also says Sinclair is expected to sign a new contract for 2-3 years in the next few weeks. Wise move....

Very disappointing news that Naismith will be delayed further. Great news about Sinclair re-signing though!

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[AB Swannie]

The 3 year contract extension Naismith was given last year was always a surprise.

[Blood Fever]

The 3 year contract extension Naismith was given last year was always a surprise.

Not really - when fully fit, he is our best ruckman and likely not to be on big dollars

[Auntie.Gerald]

Naismith would be on peanuts in the realm of $ for an afl player

[707]

We so needed preuss rather than Melbourne. He would have been our next generation ruck

Preuss deciding to transfer to Melbourne was one of the most perplexing career moves I've seen. Was stuck behind an ageing Goldy at Norf but go to the Dees to get stuck behind Gawn who is in the prime of his career.

[Ludwig]

The 3 year contract extension Naismith was given last year was always a surprise.

I said last year that Naismith should only be offered a rookie contract as he was unlikely to play senior footy this year. He's never shown that he can stay fit for any reasonable period of time.

It also shows that me should have given Cameron more AFL exposure last year when he was in great NEAFL form.

[caj23]

Not really - when fully fit, he is our best ruckman and likely not to be on big dollars

When is he fully fit?

He’s played 28 senior games heading into his 6th season