2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[bloodspirit]

Wasn't Parish about a pick 5 or 6? And still very young. He's no small fry. Except size wise. I haven't watched Essendon games so I can't really claim to know him. My impression is that he hasn't yet fully delivered on the hopes that were invested in him but he still might and he's a useful player.

Jack Martin at the Suns is apparently out of contract and is holding off re-signing. He is an outside player who came with stellar billing but so far been good without being stellar.

Do we need outside or inside more? Inside we've got JPK, Hewett, Parker, Heeney and, maybe, Mills with Rowbottom in the pipeline. We've got a bunch of outside players including many promising youngsters but none that have really stamped their authority yet. In recent years we have lost more of our inside players whether due to loss of form or the player leaving the club and it was looking like that was the bigger need. But with the maturation of Hewett and the acquisition of Rowbottom has that changed?

[liz]

Wasn't Parish about a pick 5 or 6? And still very young. He's no small fry. Except size wise. I haven't watched Essendon games so I can't really claim to know him. My impression is that he hasn't yet fully delivered on the hopes that were invested in him but he still might and he's a useful player.

Jack Martin at the Suns is apparently out of contract and is holding off re-signing. He is an outside player who came with stellar billing but so far been good without being stellar.

Do we need outside or inside more? Inside we've got JPK, Hewett, Parker, Heeney and, maybe, Mills with Rowbottom in the pipeline. We've got a bunch of outside players including many promising youngsters but none that have really stamped their authority yet. In recent years we have lost more of our inside players whether due to loss of form or the player leaving the club and it was looking like that was the bigger need. But with the maturation of Hewett and the acquisition of Rowbottom has that changed?

I think Parish is the epitome of "vanilla" (as applied to football players, not to icecream, where vanilla is simply the best). He's small, he's not that quick, his skills are OK without being great, he has little penetration in his kicking and doesn't have any real x-factor. He's the kind of player that if you have in your squad you'll play. In some teams he might be best 22. But I don't see him as the kind of player you'd actively chase (unless you have an awful list and just need more players who are up to senior football).

Take the team we are likely to field this weekend (or last weekend's team). Add in Kennedy, Jones and Cunningham and you probably have our current "best 22". Take out who you please. Then with what you land at, who are you going to take out to fit Parish into the side? And then project forward a year, two years and try and fit developing players into the side. Will you still find a place for Parish? The only player in my suggested current best 22 who may not be around next year is McVeigh, notwithstanding that Jones and Cunningham still have to re-sign. But assuming they stay, how does Parish improve our side?

[707]

There's a reason Parish took a while to get into Essendon's senior side this year, exactly what you said Liz, he's just a player. It's easy to rate players higher than they actually are because of their draft number which is pick 5 in this case.

We've likely got a number of developing players who will be Parish standard within a year or two. If you're going to pay good $ and good picks they must fit a need and be above average. If there's one of those out there, particularly a FA, come on over.

I don't like trading just to be seen to be doing something in trade period, sometimes it's better to sit tight and take your picks to the ND.

[Markwebbos]

Wasn't Parish about a pick 5 or 6? And still very young. He's no small fry. Except size wise. I haven't watched Essendon games so I can't really claim to know him. My impression is that he hasn't yet fully delivered on the hopes that were invested in him but he still might and he's a useful player.

Jack Martin at the Suns is apparently out of contract and is holding off re-signing. He is an outside player who came with stellar billing but so far been good without being stellar.

Do we need outside or inside more? Inside we've got JPK, Hewett, Parker, Heeney and, maybe, Mills with Rowbottom in the pipeline. We've got a bunch of outside players including many promising youngsters but none that have really stamped their authority yet. In recent years we have lost more of our inside players whether due to loss of form or the player leaving the club and it was looking like that was the bigger need. But with the maturation of Hewett and the acquisition of Rowbottom has that changed?

Jack Martin has a number of Melbourne clubs circling. He hasn't yet delivered on his potential, so whoever gets him will be paying over the odds in the hope he'll come good.

We've got a lack of experience and maturity in our midfield, and given JPK turns 31 in a couple of weeks, I think we'd want to go after someone who play inside, even if they are a Coniglio type... or just Coniglio would do.

I also don't know how easy it is to develop players to become elite midfielders, in other words how easy it is to predict if any of our current crop will make it to the level that's required for us to be a force in September again? Versus trading in someone with proven ability. Bearing in mind JPK was a speculative pick up at the time.

[bloodspirit]

Looks like there is a real chance that Cameron could leave this off season: Like a quarterback swap-a-thon: Will these uncontracted ruckmen land at your club? - AFL.com.au.

[Markwebbos]

Looks like there is a real chance that Cameron could leave this off season: Like a quarterback swap-a-thon: Will these uncontracted ruckmen land at your club? - AFL.com.au.

Please don't let him be another Nankervis. What are we a feeder club for ruckmen?

[chalbilto]

I wish the club would give him a couple of games in the firsts just to see if he can cut it.

[Mr Magoo]

Please don't let him be another Nankervis. What are we a feeder club for ruckmen?

I reckon thats just pure speculation from a journo who was trying to pick a ruckman from each club that could move. When you look at the Swans , the only logical one is Cameron as Naismith is injured , Sinclair is contracted until 2021, Knolls just arrived and the others arent even a thought.

[Blood Fever]

I reckon thats just pure speculation from a journo who was trying to pick a ruckman from each club that could move. When you look at the Swans , the only logical one is Cameron as Naismith is injured , Sinclair is contracted until 2021, Knolls just arrived and the others arent even a thought.

Anyone on this site could write the article. Shallow rubbish for the addicted.

[Markwebbos]

In the defense of Marc McGowan, he uses very cautious language. He's not adding anything we don't know, but it's a valid point. One explanation for the recruitment of Maclean and Knoll is because they've had the chat with Cameron and either he wants to leave or they won't be offering him a new contract.

"Among those potentially seeking greater opportunity are Hawthorn's Marc Pittonet and Swan Darcy Cameron, whose situation became more clouded with Michael Knoll's mid-season drafting. Cats pair Wylie Buzza and Zac Smith, like Pittonet and Cameron, are out of contract at season's end..."

[liz]

Maclean isn't a ruckman. Not an AFL level ruckman. He's tall enough to pinch hit but not to be an actual ruckman.

[Markwebbos]

SENs best 22 out of contract players

The 2019 out of contract player best 22

FB: Adam Tomlinson, David Astbury, Caleb Marchbank

HB: Bachar Houli, Jake Carlisle, Shane Edwards

C: Ed Langdon, Stephen Coniglio, Jack Billings

HF: Josh Dunkley, Jamie Elliott, Jack Martin

FF: Gary Ablett, Daniel McStay, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

Fol: Nic Naitanui, Tim Kelly, Tom Liberatore

I/C: Stephen Hill, Tom Phillips, Darcy Parish, Alex Keath

[Auntie.Gerald]

Two words

Ed Langdon

If Tim kelly heads back home to WA and freeo and he can come to terms then we may have something valuable to offer Freeo to help make that all happen ?

[ugg]

Rowbottom and McInerney sign extensions till end of 2022, Reynolds till end of 2020 (does he come off the rookie list?)

[liz]

Rowbottom and McInerney sign extensions till end of 2022, Reynolds till end of 2020 (does he come off the rookie list?)

I read - and was in the process of responding - to your first version of the post. Took me by surprise.

I think the answer to your question is "not necessarily". Amartey signed a one year extension around this time last year but remained on the rookie list for 2019.