2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Melbourne_Blood]

I guess the weird thing with the Papley talk is you could understand a footy journo pulling his name out or a hat if he were coming out of contract this year, but he’s got another year to run. That’s the only strange part of it, I don’t see anything in the way he plays and the passion he displays to suggest he wants to leave the swans.


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[crackedactor]

A few of my thoughts from the last few pages I’ve read (I’m overseas at the moment and catch up in bursts)

1. Dunkley - we were never in a position to draft him as a f/s if a Vic club drafted him. I agree that it was basically draft tampering and shouldn’t have happened but either way we would never have had him. What is sad is that a club legend’s son didn’t want to come to Sydney. I’ve heard that Andrew Dunkley had a falling out but don’t know the details.

2. Rucks - I’d love a good ruck as much as anyone else. Unfortunately, they are largely a fluke to draft and recruit. People often bring up Nankervis but he is no better than Sinkers. A lot of other teams are in similar ruck situations with their number 1 ruck approaching retirement age.

3. Small forwards - I think our stocks are low here. Paps is great. Hayward is not a hard ground ball get player. Ronke is showing that his few good games in 2018 was more likely the exception than the rule. I haven’t seen any of the NEAFL to comment on Wicks. I think we need a Rioli. There must be another one coming up in the next draft?

The Dunkley brothers not wanting to come to Sydney. You can blame Rodney Eade for that one. He caused a lot of damage and had a serious arguments with Andrew Dunkley and Wayne Schwass. Both dislike the Swans because of him and both probably retired earlier that they should have.


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[AB Swannie]

Thanks for the info. What a shame. I haven’t heard too many good things about Eade and this just adds to them. However, there has also been a lot of time passed since he was here and so I also think it is a shame that more recent Swans management haven’t mended the bridges with such past players.

[liz]

Kyle Dunkley came up to Sydney and trained with the Swans for a brief period last off-season. That's not consistent with him not wanting to come to the club.

Kyle and Josh were photographed in the Swans' rooms after the 2012 GF victory, as ardent supporters of the team, despite the oft-reported coolness between their father and the club. Who knows if that's even real anymore. Josh's preference not to be drafted to the Swans may simply have been because he really didn't want to leave Victoria.

[Meg]

Josh's preference not to be drafted to the Swans may simply have been because he really didn't want to leave Victoria.

I think that is much more likely to be the case. From what I’ve read the Dunkleys are a close family. It was reported recently that the two brothers plus their sister (a Super netballer) share a house in Melbourne. Understandable if Josh’s preference was to stay in Melbourne -while not refusing to move if a Melbourne option was not available.

He would have been hotly wooed by Vic clubs had we drafted him so might not have worked out for the Swans in the longer term anyway.

[Markwebbos]

I guess the weird thing with the Papley talk is you could understand a footy journo pulling his name out or a hat if he were coming out of contract this year, but he’s got another year to run. That’s the only strange part of it, I don’t see anything in the way he plays and the passion he displays to suggest he wants to leave the swans.

The journo says "Clubs are aware that Papley, 23, has flagged an interest in returning to Victoria for family reasons after four @seasons with the Swans." If that is the case, then he may leave the Swans.

[AB Swannie]

Kyle Dunkley came up to Sydney and trained with the Swans for a brief period last off-season. That's not consistent with him not wanting to come to the club.

Kyle and Josh were photographed in the Swans' rooms after the 2012 GF victory, as ardent supporters of the team, despite the oft-reported coolness between their father and the club. Who knows if that's even real anymore. Josh's preference not to be drafted to the Swans may simply have been because he really didn't want to leave Victoria.

Thanks for this info too. I knew that Kyle trained here last year and I didn’t think that Josh had any animosity towards the Swans - just that he preferred to be drafted to a Melbourne-based club. It is certainly rare that a player prefers to be drafted to a different club than that of his father. I can only think of two - Josh and Blakey. There are probably others.

[S.S. Bleeder]

The Dunkley brothers not wanting to come to Sydney. You can blame Rodney Eade for that one. He caused a lot of damage and had a serious arguments with Andrew Dunkley and Wayne Schwass. Both dislike the Swans because of him and both probably retired earlier that they should have.


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I thought that Roos was the coach who ended Dunkleys career? Not sure about Schwass.

[Blood Fever]

The journo says "Clubs are aware that Papley, 23, has flagged an interest in returning to Victoria for family reasons after four @seasons with the Swans." If that is the case, then he may leave the Swans.

If being the key word. Saw the story but took it with a grain of salt. So much rubbish peddled these days, so hard to take it seriously.

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I thought that Roos was the coach who ended Dunkleys career? Not sure about Schwass.

Roos was coach in 2002 when Kelly, Schwass and Dunkley all gave it away, on the same night IIRC.

[liz]

Roos was coach in 2002 when Kelly, Schwass and Dunkley all gave it away, on the same night IIRC.

Didn't Schwass retire halfway through the season (along with Plugger Mk2), at the same time that Eade was given the heave-ho? (Ok, technically he walked after learning he wouldn't get a contract beyond 2002.)

It's often been said that Dunkley had a beef with Roos for ending his career (prematurely, in his eyes) but Roos was only caretaker coach when Dunkley played his last game. Wallace may, or may not, have been lined up to take over as coach the following season, but Roos certainly didn't have the job at that point. So I think it's highly unlikely that Roos would single-handedly have decided that Dunkley should retire.

Regardless of who made the call, I don't think it was an unreasonable one. He was on his last legs and the club had missed the finals, so it was understandable them wanting to move on some veteran players.

[Nico]

If being the key word. Saw the story but took it with a grain of salt. So much rubbish peddled these days, so hard to take it seriously.

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Roos was coach in 2002 when Kelly, Schwass and Dunkley all gave it away, on the same night IIRC.

The Papley story was trotted out earlier in the season. That time of the year. He has another year on his contract and I doubt we would let him go.

[707]

Something more solid than Papley wants to "go home" is that COR has been extended another two years, great news, quietly goes about his business making critical spoils and tackles and providing dash when needed. Plenty of upside too IMO now he knows he's a regular.

[dimelb]

Something more solid than Papley wants to "go home" is that COR has been extended another two years, great news, quietly goes about his business making critical spoils and tackles and providing dash when needed. Plenty of upside too IMO now he knows he's a regular.

Very pleased with this news. And I do admire his kicking - generally accurate and field gun trajectory rather than howitzer, which (I think) we see too much of.

[Mark26]

Something more solid than Papley wants to "go home" is that COR has been extended another two years, great news, quietly goes about his business making critical spoils and tackles and providing dash when needed. Plenty of upside too IMO now he knows he's a regular.

That's very good news about COR. He's playing consistently well and is becoming a key part of our rebuild.

[Blood Fever]

That's very good news about COR. He's playing consistently well and is becoming a key part of our rebuild.

Happy with the resigning but he needs to improve his decision making by foot at times. Blazes away to no avail under pressure on occasions. Confident he can turn this around given his development thus far.