2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

What about Gray and Brand?

[dazedjosh]

Good point, I'll add them in now.

Even with them added to the list, we still can't fill our senior list with all of the picks available to us in the national draft.

[dazedjosh]

Bid on Green then in the following order:
Jackson
Young
Kemp
Serong
Flanders

[Auntie.Gerald]

Hopefully aidyn Johnson from Port Adelaide (who is trialing with us) is on the right trajectory and may earn a spot

[liz]

Good point, I'll add them in now.

Even with them added to the list, we still can't fill our senior list with all of the picks available to us in the national draft.

Your last sentence doesn't make sense because the picks allocated to us by the AFL should be exactly the number required to fill the senior list to the maximum of 40. If you have an extra list spot, you just get allocated another pick.

I'm not sure that your on/off the list analysis fully takes into account the fact we added three rookies during the course of the season - in the pre-season supplemental period and the mid-season draft.

And bear in mind we ran with a 39/5 split last year (senior/Cat A rookie), a departure from the Swans' norm in previous seasons of a 38/6 split.*

But you've also ignored the Tippett effect - he was one of our five original Cat A rookies last year who has now been removed. That offsets (a little) the effect of adding three players during the season. (Or alternatively, you can ignore him altogether, and then just allow for adding two players midway through last season. Same effect.)

* There was some debate about this because (so someone observed - can't remember who), the AFL Almanac or Digest, or whatever they call it, listed Ronke as a rookie for last year. The Swans' own website listed him as a senior player. It doesn't really make much difference which was correct in terms of counting the number of spots available this year unless one thinks he'll still be a rookie in 2020. I don't (but then I don't think he was in 2019 either).

[liz]

PS I've moved about a dozen or so posts from the Pre-season thread to this one because they seem more relevant to this thread.

[dazedjosh]

Your last sentence doesn't make sense because the picks allocated to us by the AFL should be exactly the number required to fill the senior list to the maximum of 40. If you have an extra list spot, you just get allocated another pick.

I'm not sure that your on/off the list analysis fully takes into account the fact we added three rookies during the course of the season - in the pre-season supplemental period and the mid-season draft.

But you've also ignored the Tippett effect - he was one of our five original Cat A rookies last year who has now been removed.

Here's the draft order - Indicative draft order: Your club's picks after the Trade Period - AFL.com.au
Here's the picks we have according to that order - 5, 25, 32, 44, 81

Here are list changes - List Changes - AFL.com.au
With regards to the mid-season draftees, I took them into account, and listed Hirst as an outgoing. I also listed McLean as being promoted to the senior list, and he was our supplemental player. Knoll is already on the rookie list and was factored in. Tippett isn't included in our list as his list spot was taken the supplemental period and mid-season draft players. His list spot had already been taken and no longer needs to be factored in.

I'm 99.99% sure my numbers are correct, but feel free to check them. Taking into account the number of national draft picks we have, the only way we can fill our senior list spots is if we are promoting, or have already promoted, players from the rookie list to the senior list. Considering we have 5 draft picks, that means 1 of Bell or McLean have been promoted. I'd be very surprised if we used pick 81, and instead promoted the other player who hasn't already been moved up to the senior list.

[liz]

Here's the draft order - Indicative draft order: Your club's picks after the Trade Period - AFL.com.au
Here's the picks we have according to that order - 5, 25, 32, 44, 81

Here are list changes - List Changes - AFL.com.au
With regards to the mid-season draftees, I took them into account, and listed Hirst as an outgoing. I also listed McLean as being promoted to the senior list, and he was our supplemental player. Knoll is already on the rookie list and was factored in. Tippett isn't included in our list as his list spot was taken the supplemental period and mid-season draft players. His list spot had already been taken and no longer needs to be factored in.

I'm 99.99% sure my numbers are correct, but feel free to check them. Taking into account the number of national draft picks we have, the only way we can fill our senior list spots is if we are promoting, or have already promoted, players from the rookie list to the senior list. Considering we have 5 draft picks, that means 1 of Bell or McLean have been promoted. I'd be very surprised if we used pick 81, and instead promoted the other player who hasn't already been moved up to the senior list.

I was adding to my post as you were responding to it.

Have you taken into account the fact that we ran with a 39/5 split in 2019?

Also, the summary table that the AFL website lists is inconsistent with the round-by-round list. The latter indicates we also have pick 76, but this has been omitted from the summary list.

[stevoswan]

I see Hawthorn have a little problem.....but I'm sure the AFL will create a convenient loophole for them to jump through.

Hawthorn facing draft snag as it looks to trade future first-round pick - AFL.com.au

"AFL.com.au understands the Hawks are prepared to trade their future first-round pick for 2020 in a deal to land a second first-round pick for this year.

However, it faces a battle to land the selection because, under AFL rules, to trade out a future first-round selection it must retain its other picks in that draft.

The Hawks traded their 2020 second-round selection during the exchange period, so would need to replace that to be allowed to move their future first-round pick."

I'm guessing the Hawks believe that by making this public, the AFL will somehow accommodate their plan......time for a coffee with Gil perhaps?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Afl.com

GREATER Western Sydney will move up to pick No.4 in a major pick swap with Adelaide.

The Crows will receive the Giants' pick No.6 and their future first-round pick as part of the deal to slide back two spots.

The move will likely allow the Giants to select a player from the open draft pool before a big comes on Academy gun Tom Green.

[stevoswan]

Afl.com

GREATER Western Sydney will move up to pick No.4 in a major pick swap with Adelaide.

The Crows will receive the Giants' pick No.6 and their future first-round pick as part of the deal to slide back two spots.

The move will likely allow the Giants to select a player from the open draft pool before a big comes on Academy gun Tom Green.

Who are they after I wonder? Oh for a crystal ball......

[Markwebbos]

Afl.com

GREATER Western Sydney will move up to pick No.4 in a major pick swap with Adelaide.

The Crows will receive the Giants' pick No.6 and their future first-round pick as part of the deal to slide back two spots.

The move will likely allow the Giants to select a player from the open draft pool before a big comes on Academy gun Tom Green.

That’s a good deal for the Crows if they don’t want Green and now guarantees the Giants will match a bid.

I wonder who the Giants are after, bet it’s Young or Jackson!

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I see Hawthorn have a little problem.....but I'm sure the AFL will create a convenient loophole for them to jump through.

Hawthorn facing draft snag as it looks to trade future first-round pick - AFL.com.au

"AFL.com.au understands the Hawks are prepared to trade their future first-round pick for 2020 in a deal to land a second first-round pick for this year.

However, it faces a battle to land the selection because, under AFL rules, to trade out a future first-round selection it must retain its other picks in that draft.

The Hawks traded their 2020 second-round selection during the exchange period, so would need to replace that to be allowed to move their future first-round pick."

I'm guessing the Hawks believe that by making this public, the AFL will somehow accommodate their plan......time for a coffee with Gil perhaps?

Free pick Hawthorn

[liz]

Will be funny if Melbourne bids on Green at no 3.

[Markwebbos]

I'm hoping Swans will engineer a means to swap picks with Melbourne so we can bid on Green at 3, and then a player of our choosing after that. I reckon GWS would bet that he's exactly what Melbourne don't need.

[dejavoodoo44]

Will be funny if Melbourne bids on Green at no 3.

Exactly what I was about to post. Funny to everyone, except for the management team at the Giants.