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  • Blood Relative
    Warming the Bench
    • Oct 2018
    • 155

    Team List Changes for Round VII Lions

    If we consider that in previous seasons when we called on the reserves for replacements, we had Towers, Marsh, Robinson, Foote etc. They were just insurance players. If none or all of Rose, Fox & COR are not called upon soon then they may have been given this tag as well.

    Perhaps Stoddart replaces Ronke.
  • Aprilbr
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2016
    • 1803

    #2
    We are soon coming to the point where we need to play COR, Rose, Cameron, Fox for 2-3 games just to see if they are worth keeping on the list for next season. Are they up to it? If not, move on!

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      #3
      Surely we would be better off without Clarke and replacing him with COR - either he allows Mills to move to the midfield or he plays there himself. Ronke has to go. And lets hope Buddy does come back. I'm keen for Rowbottom to stay in the side. Either Melican, Blakey or McCartin needs to make way. McCartin.

      OUT: Ronke, Clarke, McCartin
      IN: COR, Franklin, Rose

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      • Foreign Legion
        Senior Player
        • Feb 2003
        • 3371

        #4
        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        Surely we would be better off without Clarke and replacing him with COR - either he allows Mills to move to the midfield or he plays there himself. Ronke has to go. And lets hope Buddy does come back. I'm keen for Rowbottom to stay in the side. Either Melican, Blakey or McCartin needs to make way. McCartin.

        OUT: Ronke, Clarke, McCartin
        IN: COR, Franklin, Rose
        As much as I like Blakey's foot skills I think he was returned to the Seniors too early. McCartin is a year ahead and offers a bit more flexibility. Otherwise I agree 100% with your changes.

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        • AB Swannie
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2017
          • 1579

          #5
          I think it would be unwise to play Buddy. Regardless of how minor the strain is, 1 week is not enough time for any hamstring - they quickly become repetitive if not managed well.

          OUT: Ronke, Clarke
          IN: COR and either Fox or Stoddart.

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          • Ralph Dawg
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2018
            • 1729

            #6
            I think it's time Sinclair had a spell, play full forward giving Cameron chop out. Lions have 3 mobile talls. I wonder whether Reid would actually be best matchup for big O, Rampe on Hipwood and Aliir on McStay? Melican just seems off the pace. Ronke and Clarke definite outs for me. McCartain over Blakey as the final out as Blakey seems to offer more.
            Ins: Cameron, Rose, COR, Franklin
            Outs: Melican, McCartain, Clarke, Ronke

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            • O'Reilly Boy
              Warming the Bench
              • Feb 2014
              • 474

              #7
              Mills into the middle for Clarke—Mills is completely wasted playing key position defender (and Clarke adds not a thing). Last night Mills was starting out of the defensive goal square most of the night. Ridiculous. O'Riordan into the back set-up and move Reid back permanently (I thought that he was pretty good last night, playing everywhere. Move Lloyd up onto the wing and play Dawson off half-back for some penetration. We need to develop play-makers off half back with Macca gone, and I think that Lloyd's disposals have been diabolical. Cunningham was willing last night, and quite prepared to engage (I know Nico is not a fan, but I thought he was among the best). I'd rather have him off half-back than Lloyd. Rose in for Ronke. Stoddard for Thurlow, to add some spark.

              Rampe Aliir Reid
              Dawson Melican Cunningham

              Sinclair Kennedy Jones
              Florent Heeney Lloyd

              Parker Rose Rowbottom
              Papley McCartin Blakey

              O'Riordan, Mills, Hewitt, Stoddard

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              • O'Reilly Boy
                Warming the Bench
                • Feb 2014
                • 474

                #8
                Maybe I'm being harsh on Lloyd, looking at his stats. But I also think that this may be a case where the raw stats don't actually capture what I saw. His 'efficiency' seems high, but I wonder about the situations that efficiency creates. The stat itself without game context doesn't mean much, and my experience of the game was repeated frustration at disposals to teammates in terrible situations who then immediately turned the ball over.

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                • Markwebbos
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 7186

                  #9
                  Originally posted by O'Reilly Boy
                  Maybe I'm being harsh on Lloyd, looking at his stats. But I also think that this may be a case where the raw stats don't actually capture what I saw. His 'efficiency' seems high, but I wonder about the situations that efficiency creates. The stat itself without game context doesn't mean much, and my experience of the game was repeated frustration at disposals to teammates in terrible situations who then immediately turned the ball over.
                  There were a couple of times Lloyd kicked the ball inside 50 on Saturday night and both were the opposite of a bullet, floating balls that gave the intended recipient no chance. Not sure why he does that and whether it's a confidence issue. There do seem to be a lot of Swans down on confidence. But I would rather he kicked like that in defence.

                  I'm a big fan of Cunningham playing in defence. I don't know how well he defends, but we need what run and carry he does have.

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                  • Blood Fever
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4050

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Markwebbos
                    There were a couple of times Lloyd kicked the ball inside 50 on Saturday night and both were the opposite of a bullet, floating balls that gave the intended recipient no chance. Not sure why he does that and whether it's a confidence issue. There do seem to be a lot of Swans down on confidence. But I would rather he kicked like that in defence.

                    I'm a big fan of Cunningham playing in defence. I don't know how well he defends, but we need what run and carry he does have.
                    Cunningham has become one of our most valuable players. Very reliable with good character. One of our very few quick players.

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                    • liz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16778

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Blood Fever
                      Cunningham has become one of our most valuable players. Very reliable with good character. One of our very few quick players.
                      He's also out of contract. As is Jones. How optimistic we can be about rebounding fairly quickly up the ladder (after this year) will depend a lot on re-signing those two. I know Jones is prone to a few errors but I think he, along with Cunningham, have been two of our better and more consistent players this year. We are developing a young group of runners (mostly still at NEAFL level) but those two lead the way in the senior side.

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                      • ernie koala
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2007
                        • 3251

                        #12
                        I'm surprised reading here that some think McCartin should be dropped.

                        He competes all game, attacks the ball, is an excellent mark...He's tracking really well for a 19 year old playing CHF.

                        IMO he's one of the few shining lights in our team right now.

                        OUT : Clarke, Ronke

                        IN : COR, Rose

                        These 2 should be given at least 3 games to settle in at AFL level.

                        Cameron also should be given an extended run at some stage.

                        If Buddy is fit, then Blakey or Reid to make way.
                        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16778

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ernie koala
                          I'm surprised reading here that some think McCartin should be dropped.

                          He competes all game, attacks the ball, is an excellent mark...He's tracking really well for a 19 year old playing CHF.

                          IMO he's one of the few shining lights in our team right now.

                          OUT : Clarke, Ronke

                          IN : COR, Rose

                          These 2 should be given at least 3 games to settle in at AFL level.

                          Cameron also should be given an extended run at some stage.

                          If Buddy is fit, then Blakey or Reid to make way.
                          I'd omit one of Blakey or McCartin even if Buddy isn't fit to return. I think they are both fine prospects, and in time will become good forwards. But at the moment they are playing in a young and dysfunctional forward line. It was evident yesterday (especially in the second half), how static our forward line was. Pretty much every entry was kicked long towards the top of the goal square where all our forwards (and all the Giants' defenders) stood watching. There was no movement to create free options. Now I acknowledge that this might be a chicken and and egg situation - ie did all the entries go there because that's where all the forwards had stationed themselves? Or did all the forwards station themselves there because they knew that's where all the entries were going? But even if it's the latter, one or more of the forwards leading away from that area (and taking a defender with them) would have somewhat improved the chances of taking a mark, or at least bringing the ball to ground even if the ball continued to be kicked there.

                          Someone, on some thread, bemoaned our lack of a forward able to take a mark. I actually think that's a long way from reality, and one reason why I think we can rebound quite quickly if the midfield woes can be sorted (and again, I'm not necessarily talking about this season). Yesterday alone we saw Blakey, McCartin, Reid, Dawson, Parker and Heeney take contested marks in our forward line under a lot of pressure. Sure, none of them took very many, but they can all do it. And then there's Franklin to add back in. I know he's marking is perceived as a weakness but he's a lot better than many give him credit for - it's just a relative weakness compared to some of the other freakish things he does.

                          I realise that anyone else who comes into the forward line at their expense is going to be just as inexperienced (if Buddy is not available) but changing the balance between talls and smalls might help somewhat. Alternatively, we need Johnson to work overtime this week in teaching the talls how to spread out and create space for each other.

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                          • mattybloods
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 482

                            #14
                            As others have mentioned we should bring Cameron in to free Sinclair up to play deep forward. Blakey is a first year key forward, needs more time to develop in the NEAFL. My changes

                            Ins: Cameron, Rose (or Fox), O'Riordan

                            Outs: Blakey, Ronke, Clarke

                            I feel sorry for Clarke, he's still a young player and it looks like he hasn't been given a defined role. Low game time puts more pressure on him to make every touch count. I wouldn't mind keeping Clarke in for a few more weeks but giving him more game time and a more defined role. He could be used as a tagger and free Hewitt up . This is a year of development, time to find out which players are worth sticking with

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                            • Auntie.Gerald
                              Veterans List
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6480

                              #15
                              Let’s all be honest

                              2019 is a rebuilding season

                              Let’s measure progress rather then results if we want to enjoy this season

                              We can all see how dependant we are on a full squad and experienced players being out on the ground

                              It appears due to significant injuries we are fast tracking certain players into roles they are growing into massively

                              We have -

                              1. Oli learning how to play as a true inside outside mid

                              2. Jones playing inside more so then outside and letting of his HBF role

                              3. McCartin learning how to play as a true defender as well as helping up in the forward line

                              4. Thurlow playing an intercept role off HBF in a new team with a fairly brittle backline right now

                              5. Papley adapting to playing more midfield minutes

                              6. Rowbottom definitely learning but like Parker, Mills and Heeney young Rowbottom should be given a decent amount of runs in snrs to help our hunt and aggression on the contested ball

                              7. Blakey - learning his craft which is bloody hard for a 18yr old skinny tall in ur first season and if we want him good for 2020 we need to perisher with him in snrs I feel / Menzel will put pressure on blakey and or ronke I feel but for now blakey

                              8. Dawson - definitely progressing and I’m happy he is being given game time in a season that really is about rebuilding in the snrs with new players new roles

                              9. Melican - finding his feet again with only 20 something games two years ago

                              10. AA - 30 game player now becoming a key defender and a true voice in the backline

                              Etc

                              I truly feel it’s time to give COR the role that Mills plays and let Mills get more midfield minutes now - even if only 50/50

                              Mills is not that good in the role he plays off HBF - I mean look at the way the gws backline counter attacks. Mills should be a genuine 50/50 midfield / HBF......... not just a HBF

                              GWS just moved so quickly out of their backline that it puts so much pressure on our defence to reset

                              We need to create that pressure also on the opposition

                              That means we need to rotate thru our backline some more exit speed

                              In : COR
                              Out : Clarke

                              I will persist with Blakey given we are rebuilding for 2019 and given buddy carrying a hammy

                              Maybe give him a rest here and there and or give him some more time off HBF using his field kicking and height and run
                              Last edited by Auntie.Gerald; 29 April 2019, 07:47 AM.
                              "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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