Changes for Round VII Lions

[waswan]

Say again? Is it possible that you’ve looked at the wrong team list?

The way Horse is picking the team id say he has Hayward off the back flank Fox in the Ruck and Jack doing the kick ins......absolute muppet

[707]

Can’t wait for COR to get traded for pick 76 next year ...

Probably ask to be traded in the Mid Season draft via a new rule created on the run by the AFL! Yep, we'll get nothing for him and he'll become a best 22 somewhere else. Match Committee is doing my head in, I need to take a break from footy

[lwjoyner]

what would the selectors (Longmire) do if Naismith was available. leave Sinclair our no play the both of them what have they got against Cameron.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Nick Davis has never been fitter and boy he can kick!!!

I whimsically suggested that on another thread, the Swans do have a tradition of turning to a middle aged Davis when on the slide: Craig post Edelsten, Nick post Ireland - it's got symmetry.

In all seriousness, I can't see why Cameron and especially COR aren't getting a game

[barry]

what would the selectors (Longmire) do if Naismith was available. leave Sinclair our no play the both of them what have they got against Cameron.

The problem with Cameron is he has shown nothing at AFL level, and on occation been beaten by NEAFL standard ruckmen.
He is a forward who can ruck. We have Sinclair, Reid, McCartin who can all do that. We need a ruckman who can ruck.
All our eggs are in the Naismith basket.

Sinclair was played as a forward with Naismith before, and I think that would be the setup with a fully fit list.
It does mean that one of Reid or McCartin would need to play down back as we would be too tall with a forward line of Sinclair, Buddy, Reid and McCartin.

[Melbourne_Blood]

The problem with Cameron is he has shown nothing at AFL level, and on occation been beaten by NEAFL standard ruckmen.
He is a forward who can ruck. We have Sinclair, Reid, McCartin who can all do that. We need a ruckman who can ruck.
All our eggs are in the Naismith basket.

Sinclair was played as a forward with Naismith before, and I think that would be the setup with a fully fit list.
It does mean that one of Reid or McCartin would need to play down back as we would be too tall with a forward line of Sinclair, Buddy, Reid and McCartin.

Nothing at AFL level, in the single solitary game he has played at AFL level , a game in which our whole team sucked .. can’t speak on the NEAFL stuff other than he clearly goes alright in there judging by his accolades last year


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[bloodspirit]

I am as surprised as the next person to see Jack selected ahead of O'Riordan. Nothing in his formline shows he warrants it and, unlike Colin, he is the past not the future. I feel badly for COR. However, on the flipside:

1. I do get that it particularly makes sense to play experienced senior leaders who can direct the play, especially while developing a young team and more especially with the new rules regarding runners. In fact I think it makes more sense to give games to young promising players and veterans than journeymen who aren't likely to be long term best 22 at a time when we're not contending for finals. Arguably Fox fits into this journeyman category - great depth to call on but someone with perhaps not enough upside to hold promise of a long AFL career. I haven't seen enough of Fox to really suggest this applies to him (haven't been watching reserves as much as I used to) but it is an impression I have gleaned from reading threads and posts on RWO.

2. I am not too worried about losing COR from the club unless we want to let him go (like Newman). Note we did keep Dawson (who does now play seniors) and we did get Mitchell into the seniors and only let him go much later when we were in a salary cap squeeze.

3. Given the match committee has shown a willingness to blood new talent I think there are specific reasons COR has not been selected more and, despite his good form in the NEAFL, he hasn't yet done enough and/or there aren't enough spots to reward him with a spot yet. The spaces that were available (Clarke, Ronke) have been given to others who have been deemed more worthy. We should be glad that the Match Committee was willing to dump the players who were widely perceived to be underperforming and trust that their greater knowledge of the players outside the 22 has led them to choose the right replacements.

Really hope COR gets a run soon. Possibly at the expense of Thurlow. But also glad Thurlow is being given an extended run to try and settle in the side.

[longmile]

Really hope COR gets a run soon. Possibly at the expense of Thurlow. But also glad Thurlow is being given an extended run to try and settle in the side.

Or put Mills in the midfield and give them both a run?

[ugg]

It will be interesting to see where they play Fox. He played mainly midfield in the last NEAFL game (15 clearances!) but he's unlikely to be used there in the seniors. His senior games last year were mainly as a forward (I remember that great mark he took in the forward line against Geelong(?)) and sometimes ruck but in the preseason and in earlier NEAFL games he's been played as a tallish running halfback. He's reasonably pacy although not express and could be the running option we are looking for.

It could allow Cunningham to move from defence where he's played the last week games back to the wing and take Clarke's spot.

[Markwebbos]

Or put Mills in the midfield and give them both a run?

It's been noted elsewhere before, that moving Mills into the midfield is going to make it slower, unless you move out at least one of Parker / Kennedy, which I think Horse will be very reluctant to do.

I'd be happy to go down the Geelong path, and give the younger mids a chance (by moving the older players out of the centre square), especially at this point in time. Kennedy can't go on a whole lot longer in there.

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It will be interesting to see where they play Fox. He played mainly midfield in the last NEAFL game (15 clearances!) but he's unlikely to be used there in the seniors. His senior games last year were mainly as a forward (I remember that great mark he took in the forward line against Geelong(?)) and sometimes ruck but in the preseason and in earlier NEAFL games he's been played as a tallish running halfback. He's reasonably pacy although not express and could be the running option we are looking for.

It could allow Cunningham to move from defence where he's played the last week games back to the wing and take Clarke's spot.

I'm really keen to keep Harry C in defence as he's virtually the only running player we've got in there.

[bloodspirit]

in Fox Hayward Jack
Out Clarke Ronke Rowbottom

Emg O’Riordan Rowbottom McInerney Reynolds

What do you make of Reynolds as an emergency? Does this mean we can spare him from the NEAFL? Is it a recognition and pat on the back for good work? Are we meant seriously to think he might be selected for seniors if the right person gets injured?

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How has Reynolds been going in the Reserves? I haven't watched so far and I haven't noticed much in the way of commentary about his efforts either.

[MattW]

It will be interesting to see where they play Fox. He played mainly midfield in the last NEAFL game (15 clearances!) but he's unlikely to be used there in the seniors. His senior games last year were mainly as a forward (I remember that great mark he took in the forward line against Geelong(?)) and sometimes ruck but in the preseason and in earlier NEAFL games he's been played as a tallish running halfback. He's reasonably pacy although not express and could be the running option we are looking for.

It could allow Cunningham to move from defence where he's played the last week games back to the wing and take Clarke's spot.

Yes, Geelong. The most memorable win of last year. Watched on my phone from a motel room at 6am the next morning after a wedding the night before. Maguire called that last quarter really well - his call on Hayward's 'banana bender' winner was particularly rousing.

I agree, his bounce out of defence could be helpful.

[longmile]

Yes, Geelong. The most memorable win of last year. Watched on my phone from a motel room at 6am the next morning after a wedding the night before. Maguire called that last quarter really well - his call on Hayward's 'banana bender' winner was particularly rousing.

I agree, his bounce out of defence could be helpful.

Last year had so many great close games. We were punching well above our weight which made those tight wins so exciting. I can count at least 5 games like that last year.

[crackedactor]

I am as surprised as the next person to see Jack selected ahead of O'Riordan. Nothing in his formline shows he warrants it and, unlike Colin, he is the past not the future. I feel badly for COR. However, on the flipside:

1. I do get that it particularly makes sense to play experienced senior leaders who can direct the play, especially while developing a young team and more especially with the new rules regarding runners. In fact I think it makes more sense to give games to young promising players and veterans than journeymen who aren't likely to be long term best 22 at a time when we're not contending for finals. Arguably Fox fits into this journeyman category - great depth to call on but someone with perhaps not enough upside to hold promise of a long AFL career. I haven't seen enough of Fox to really suggest this applies to him (haven't been watching reserves as much as I used to) but it is an impression I have gleaned from reading threads and posts on RWO.

2. I am not too worried about losing COR from the club unless we want to let him go (like Newman). Note we did keep Dawson (who does now play seniors) and we did get Mitchell into the seniors and only let him go much later when we were in a salary cap squeeze.

3. Given the match committee has shown a willingness to blood new talent I think there are specific reasons COR has not been selected more and, despite his good form in the NEAFL, he hasn't yet done enough and/or there aren't enough spots to reward him with a spot yet. The spaces that were available (Clarke, Ronke) have been given to others who have been deemed more worthy. We should be glad that the Match Committee was willing to dump the players who were widely perceived to be underperforming and trust that their greater knowledge of the players outside the 22 has led them to choose the right replacements.

Really hope COR gets a run soon. Possibly at the expense of Thurlow. But also glad Thurlow is being given an extended run to try and settle in the side.

If you want draft picks and the wooden spoon, not giving a game to COR makes sense. 40 possessions last week and 3 BOGs in a row. Starting to sound like the Tom Mitchell story.


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[troyjones2525]

Or put Mills in the midfield and give them both a run?

Yes! Yes! Yes! It seems so simple yet the match committee feels otherwise....

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