Horse

[The Big Cat]

I thought all clubs review everything at season's end whether they are successful or not. It's called Quality Assurance.

If they're don't do a review, how about a player survey to find out if all the players are on board with the direction the administration is taking the club and if they are fully invested in Horse's gameplan?

If there is player unrest, as some have suggested and that I suspect could be an issue, the club need to be aware and act accordingly or we are going to have a walkout.....and undo all the great work of the last 20 years.

Where, besides on this board has there ever been even the suggestion of player discontent. This is the Andrew Bolt method. Make up a problem and then debate it.

[Bond007]

I have been a member most years since 1976. I never missed a game be it in person or on the TV. We have been very lucky over the past 20 years and cannot cry too much over a bad year if that is where we are at at the moment.
What i cant cop is that since 2016 the games have been totally unwatchable to the point where i have watched almost zero this year. The team selection is random and the game plan is dated. Why was Blakey left out for just 1 week - what was the point of that? Why keep Rose on the list? Surely he should have got 1 go instead of Ronke being up and down from the seconds every week? Which player that wasn't at the club in 2011 has developed into a top end player? Is the current coach able to develop players?
If we are rebuilding how about playing players like Mills in the midfield and letting them play instead of this constant negative football. The coach got away with this style in 2012 because Jetta had pace and had an exceptional year. That style doesn't work now and nobody wants to watch us play for a nil nil draw every week. Losing is fine but lets have a crack at trying to score just occasionally!

[stevoswan]

Where, besides on this board has there ever been even the suggestion of player discontent. This is the Andrew Bolt method. Make up a problem and then debate it.

As outsiders witnessing un-Swans like standards, we are destined to speculate.

Your analogy fails because Bolt has an evil agenda.....and I certainly don't.

[Swanny40519]

I have been a member most years since 1976. I never missed a game be it in person or on the TV. We have been very lucky over the past 20 years and cannot cry too much over a bad year if that is where we are at at the moment.
What i cant cop is that since 2016 the games have been totally unwatchable to the point where i have watched almost zero this year. The team selection is random and the game plan is dated. Why was Blakey left out for just 1 week - what was the point of that? Why keep Rose on the list? Surely he should have got 1 go instead of Ronke being up and down from the seconds every week? Which player that wasn't at the club in 2011 has developed into a top end player? Is the current coach able to develop players?
If we are rebuilding how about playing players like Mills in the midfield and letting them play instead of this constant negative football. The coach got away with this style in 2012 because Jetta had pace and had an exceptional year. That style doesn't work now and nobody wants to watch us play for a nil nil draw every week. Losing is fine but lets have a crack at trying to score just occasionally!

Spot on 007.

I have been watching the Swans play since the early 80's as well, and hardly missed any local games or TV away games too. I will always support the Swans but the last couple of years have been very hard to remain positive about - even when we were winning ugly. Now we are losing ugly nothing seems to have changed in game style, skills, player selection or coaching. I am sick of watching us move the ball slowly, backwards, sideways and then kick it forward to no Swan forward players except the opposition defence team. I don't now what game the coaching staff are watching but they must be doing it with their eyes closed.

I am now questioning is it worth the struggle to get to the SGC on Friday night to see us thrashed by the Bombers.

[The Big Cat]

I am now questioning is it worth the struggle to get to the SGC on Friday night to see us thrashed by the Bombers.

In The Guardian article that was quoted in another thread, the author threw up the idea that our slip down the ladder would determine whether large numbers of Swans supporters could be termed "fair weather supporters". Unfortunately, I'm starting to see the answer materialise before my eyes.

The players need support when they are struggling, not when they're smashing everyone. If you're willing to high-five and feel part of the club when it's winning, you're MORALLY bound to be part of the club when they're are losing.

[Swanny40519]

I supported the club back in the 80's and 90's when winning was not even a dream, and I attended all those games along with a couple of thousand people.

But I am now in my late 70's and getting to the SGC on a colder Friday night watching 22 players running around with little idea of what they are supposed to be doing, playing very un-attractive football is not a great incentive.

[Ralph Dawg]

I supported the club back in the 80's and 90's when winning was not even a dream, and I attended all those games along with a couple of thousand people.

But I am now in my late 70's and getting to the SGC on a colder Friday night watching 22 players running around with little idea of what they are supposed to be doing, playing very un-attractive football is not a great incentive.

You've done your bit Swanny. Over to the younger supporters who have pretty much known nothing but success. If I lived in Sydney, I'd still get out to every game, bugger the inconvenience and crap play. The team has given me and my kids so much joy over the winter, it would still be worth it!

[The Big Cat]

Spot on 007.

But I am now in my late 70's and getting to the SGC on a colder Friday night watching 22 players running around with little idea of what they are supposed to be doing, playing very un-attractive football is not a great incentive.

If that is the case, Swanny, then my comment is not directed at you. Obviously you have paid your dues (and much more). I am about to turn 70 myself, and watched South get smashed week after week in Melbourne. My comment was aimed at people who found the Swans around the turn of this century and are ready to bail out because for the first time in their "barracking career" they are not on the winning side.

[AB Swannie]

Let's say, hypothetically, that Horse is moved on like a lot of people would want. Who would be the gettable/available coach that we would replace him with?

[Nico]

In The Guardian article that was quoted in another thread, the author threw up the idea that our slip down the ladder would determine whether large numbers of Swans supporters could be termed "fair weather supporters". Unfortunately, I'm starting to see the answer materialise before my eyes.

The players need support when they are struggling, not when they're smashing everyone. If you're willing to high-five and feel part of the club when it's winning, you're MORALLY bound to be part of the club when they're are losing.

I doubt we are any more fair weather than supporters of most clubs. Melbourne V Hawthorn had 29000 and I reckon half were Melbourne. So what has happened to the mobs of Hawthorn supporters. They are staying away in droves. Our problem is if our supporters drop off in Sydney will we ever get them back? The older Melbourne based Swans supporters will stick with the club until the day they die. This is not to say the hard core Sydney supporters wont stick fat but I bet the GWS fan base starts to expand rapidly if we stay in the cellar for too long.

[Markwebbos]

As far a review goes! I have never read anything so absolutely ridiculous. Honestly, sometimes I read this forum and think I have somehow clicked a link to the Carlton site in the 1990's. The swans have had a great run over two decades and my greatest wish is that this run continues for ever. But it is not our God-given right to play finals every year. We don't need a review to destabilise the most admired club in the competition just because we couldn't sustain our run, which most critics believe should have finished years ago.

My point BC is that the Swans list management has been poor.

And we are not performing as well as other clubs in getting the best from the list we have. Whilst I get your points about all those ex-Swans, for whatever reason, other clubs are getting more from players than we are. Rohan is playing better at Geelong than he ever did at Sydney at any point in his career. He was dropped last year.

I don't see why we should accept that state of affairs and not question it.

What harm can a review do? If things are perfect as you imply, then nothing will need to change. But the 2017 Premier and 2018 runner up both benefitted from reviews. As I believe did the Mark Thompson led Geelong powerhouse of the late 2000s. In none of those cases was the head coach sacked!

[Nico]

Hearing JL's presser and him interviewed on the radio today, he sounds hesitant and reading between the lines bereft of answers/solutions.

[MattW]

Hearing JL's presser and him interviewed on the radio today, he sounds hesitant and reading between the lines bereft of answers/solutions.

Listened to the presser and agree. He even recognised he was repeating himself by saying, effectively, that 'we need pressure over four quarters, we need to back words with actions'. There was little comfort he knew how to improve performance besides the players responding to his urging to play better. His response to Rohan's comments was unconvincing too.

It led me to reflect on Pridham's recent 'job for life' comments, on Harley's off-season moves, and on their respective predecessors imbuing me with far more confidence.

[The Big Cat]

Hearing JL's presser and him interviewed on the radio today, he sounds hesitant and reading between the lines bereft of answers/solutions.

Oh for goodness sake we're psychologists now, are we? He's probably just sick and tired of being asked the same inane stupid uninformed questions.

For those who didn't read at the weekend, Of the coaches having coached 200 games, Longmire is third on the all time list behind Jock McHale and Dick Reynolds.

But of course people on here know footy better

[liz]

Listened to the presser and agree. He even recognised he was repeating himself by saying, effectively, that 'we need pressure over four quarters, we need to back words with actions'. There was little comfort he knew how to improve performance besides the players responding to his urging to play better. His response to Rohan's comments was unconvincing too.

It led me to reflect on Pridham's recent 'job for life' comments, on Harley's off-season moves, and on their respective predecessors imbuing me with far more confidence.

What do you expect to say? That he's found the magic bullet hiding at the bottom of the kit bag and everything will be different this week?