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  • Ralph Dawg
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2018
    • 1729

    #16
    Naismith needs to be delisted. Offers absolutely nothing around the ground and has a broken body.
    Sure he might be good at the tap ( although it's been so long, can't say that for sure) but modern footy dictates that the ruckman has to contribute in the midfield, then be mobile enough to either provide a target forward or defend inside defensive 50. That's what makes Grundy and Gawn so good.
    Naismith lacks this and his injuries are certainly not going to help his tank or skill set progress. Delist him and sign a ready made option looking for a new opportunity.

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    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8548

      #17
      Originally posted by Doctor J.
      AJ’s was multiple ACL’s. Naismith is a single injury. Not even similar
      I think you missed Liz's point. AJ started with one ACL, just like Naismith now and it turned into many and years of recovery. That is what "not a linear, predictable process' means.

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      • Markwebbos
        Veterans List
        • Jul 2016
        • 7186

        #18
        I’ve always assumed that the Swans war che$t has been earmarked for Brodie Grundy.

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        • Ralph Dawg
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2018
          • 1729

          #19
          How good would it be if we could get him! Unfortunately it's more likely to be guys of the calibre of Zac Smith, Ceglar, Archie Smith. I suspect though that any of these 3 would be a walk up start into our team at present.

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          • The Big Cat
            On the veteran's list
            • Apr 2006
            • 2354

            #20
            Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
            How good would it be if we could get him! Unfortunately it's more likely to be guys of the calibre of Zac Smith, Ceglar, Archie Smith. I suspect though that any of these 3 would be a walk up start into our team at present.
            If Zac Smith can't get a game at Geelong when their ruckman is Rhys Stanley then he wouldn't replace sinkers.
            Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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            • Roadrunner
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2018
              • 1466

              #21
              Ok, bring in Amartey or McLean but let’s try something! This is the year to find out who can/can’t make it. Nothing wrong with picking up the No.1 draft pick- we will then challenge again within a year or so as our youngsters mature and develop. Remember GWS in their early years? They had all the talent but it was boys against men and they got flogged.........

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              • Bloods05
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2008
                • 1641

                #22
                Originally posted by Roadrunner
                Ok, bring in Amartey or McLean but let’s try something! This is the year to find out who can/can’t make it. Nothing wrong with picking up the No.1 draft pick- we will then challenge again within a year or so as our youngsters mature and develop. Remember GWS in their early years? They had all the talent but it was boys against men and they got flogged.........
                Ah, sweet memories....

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                • Sandrevan
                  Warming the Bench
                  • May 2016
                  • 355

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Markwebbos
                  I’ve always assumed that the Swans war che$t has been earmarked for Brodie Grundy.
                  That would be very nice. Imagine the outcry from the Black and white hordes.

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                  • Ruck'n'Roll
                    Ego alta, ergo ictus
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 3990

                    #24
                    Originally posted by The Big Cat
                    If Zac Smith can't get a game at Geelong when their ruckman is Rhys Stanley then he wouldn't replace sinkers.
                    Depends upon what a team wants from their ruckman.
                    I mean sure every team would like a Rolls Royce ruckman, someone that wins taps to advantage and contributes elsewhere on the field by gathering 20 possessions like an extra midfielder, taking 4+ contested marks and contributing close to a goal per game. But such ruckmen are extremely rare.

                    I think Geelong are of the opinion that their 5 star midfield does not require a ruckman that can give them first use of the ball (just so long as he stops his opponent from providing armchair service to their midfield). By accepting less at ruck contests they can use a player that is considerably more mobile than Smith and is more likely to be of greater utility around the ground.

                    On the other hand, presumably the Swans believe that above all else they need a ruckman that can give them first use of the ball, hence Naismith.

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                      Depends upon what a team wants from their ruckman.
                      I mean sure every team would like a Rolls Royce ruckman, someone that wins taps to advantage and contributes elsewhere on the field by gathering 20 possessions like an extra midfielder, taking 4+ contested marks and contributing close to a goal per game. But such ruckmen are extremely rare.

                      I think Geelong are of the opinion that their 5 star midfield does not require a ruckman that can give them first use of the ball (just so long as he stops his opponent from providing armchair service to their midfield). By accepting less at ruck contests they can use a player that is considerably more mobile than Smith and is more likely to be of greater utility around the ground.

                      On the other hand, presumably the Swans believe that above all else they need a ruckman that can give them first use of the ball, hence Naismith.
                      I think you've hit the nail on the head. Explains #Nankervisgate

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                      • Ralph Dawg
                        Senior Player
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 1729

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Markwebbos
                        I think you've hit the nail on the head. Explains #Nankervisgate
                        Is Naismith as good at the tap as we are all saying? It seriously has been so long since he's played I can't remember. I do remember him getting soundly beaten by McEvoy and Zac Smith though towards the pointy end of 2017.

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                        • Ruck'n'Roll
                          Ego alta, ergo ictus
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 3990

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                          Is Naismith as good at the tap as we are all saying? It seriously has been so long since he's played I can't remember. I do remember him getting soundly beaten by McEvoy and Zac Smith though towards the pointy end of 2017.
                          Naismith beat McEvoy at the tap, and broke even with Smith - But he got towelled up around the ground, which is the problem with Naismith (and most "lamp-post" type ruckmen).
                          So I guess the answer is yes he's good at the tap, but I honestly don't think that should be enough.

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                          • Blood Fever
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4043

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                            Naismith beat McEvoy at the tap, and broke even with Smith - But he got towelled up around the ground, which is the problem with Naismith (and most "lamp-post" type ruckmen).
                            So I guess the answer is yes he's good at the tap, but I honestly don't think that should be enough.
                            He was more agile than you give him credit for. Question now is, can he get back to what he was. Must be doubtful.

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                            • Dosser
                              Just wild about Harry
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 1833

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                              Depends upon what a team wants from their ruckman.
                              I mean sure every team would like a Rolls Royce ruckman, someone that wins taps to advantage and contributes elsewhere on the field by gathering 20 possessions like an extra midfielder, taking 4+ contested marks and contributing close to a goal per game. But such ruckmen are extremely rare.

                              I think Geelong are of the opinion that their 5 star midfield does not require a ruckman that can give them first use of the ball (just so long as he stops his opponent from providing armchair service to their midfield). By accepting less at ruck contests they can use a player that is considerably more mobile than Smith and is more likely to be of greater utility around the ground.

                              On the other hand, presumably the Swans believe that above all else they need a ruckman that can give them first use of the ball, hence Naismith.
                              I'm guessing you haven't seen much of Stanley this year? He is a MUCH improved player over his previous years and is currently rated ahead of Gawn and behind only Brodie in most stats.

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                              • Markwebbos
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 7186

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Dosser
                                I'm guessing you haven't seen much of Stanley this year? He is a MUCH improved player over his previous years and is currently rated ahead of Gawn and behind only Brodie in most stats.
                                Isn't Gawn AFL's #1 ranked player ATM?

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