#AFL Round 11 Weekly Discussion Thread

[stevoswan]

I think the decision to go for such a drastic rebuild will rightly be questioned. That’s SOS territory surely?

I would love to know the basis on which the Liam Stocker trade was made. And whose head is on the block if they give up a top 2 pick to Adelaide.

Let’s hope that they turn it around under Teague and climb up the ladder, along with the Demons, leaving Swans in pole position in the draft.

No way Carlton are going to win more games than us this year.

[lwjoyner]

amazing robbo ,Gerard and the papers all clamouring for more reviewed, what about the review of a pies player running at least 20 m (maybe ,ore) and kicking a goal that put them back in the lead, if paid against pies what ,might have been.

[707]

No way Carlton are going to win more games than us this year.

Saturday July 13th at the SCG. We'll see then whether Bolton was the problem at Carlton!

The Carlton list is pumped up by the media but maybe, just maybe it's not as good as they think. Media are very shallow, get a lot wrong in these types of things. I look at their list and it's really shallow with a number of key players retiring this year or next and they have a handful of potentially exciting young players but no more than most clubs. They have no depth. Poison chalice for whoever takes this coaching job and they won't have the guts to sack SOS.

[Mr Magoo]

Hard job to take on as you are surrounded by a boys club of ex legends who are teflon.

The talent analysis seems to be predicated on how many first rounders they have but this isnt for me any pointer to their ability to adapt to AFL level. There has been many a bust over the years from first rounders and while it should be an indicator of potential talent , there has been no indication to date that it has translated to AFL level talent that is just being misguided.

In saying all that Bolton has one of the worst coaching records ever , in any era that would be fatal. Whether thats due to the boys club or Bolton I guess will be proven moving forward.

[KTigers]

Carlton's winning record over the last few years is not dissimilar to ours in the 1992-1994 period. I don't
remember too much talk about how great our list was at the time. What we did was recruit Plugger, Roos
and Maxfield in the one year. Recruiting a whole bunch of guys not good enough to play for GWS hasn't really
had the same effect for the Blues.

[Sandrevan]

Saturday July 13th at the SCG. We'll see then whether Bolton was the problem at Carlton!

The Carlton list is pumped up by the media but maybe, just maybe it's not as good as they think. Media are very shallow, get a lot wrong in these types of things. I look at their list and it's really shallow with a number of key players retiring this year or next and they have a handful of potentially exciting young players but no more than most clubs. They have no depth. Poison chalice for whoever takes this coaching job and they won't have the guts to sack SOS.

Poisoned chalice is exactly how I see it. No aspiring assistant coach (in their right mind) would take on the Carlton coaching job

[barry]

Carlton's winning record over the last few years is not dissimilar to ours in the 1992-1994 period. I don't
remember too much talk about how great our list was at the time. What we did was recruit Plugger, Roos
and Maxfield in the one year. Recruiting a whole bunch of guys not good enough to play for GWS hasn't really
had the same effect for the Blues.

With just plugger and Roos we went from last to grand final in 2 years.
The list difference between great and poor is only 2 good players.

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Poisoned chalice is exactly how I see it. No aspiring assistant coach (in their right mind) would take on the Carlton coaching job

They have had 2 new coaches (ratten and Bolton) and two established coaches (pagan and malthouse) and all failed. The problem is not the coach.

I'd love to see ratten get the gig again. He was shafted unfairly.

[KTigers]

I'm of the belief that that there isn't as big a gap between the top and the bottom as a lot of people think.
There is a salary cap, and it mostly works. The draft mostly works. All the clubs train just as much as each
other. Most of the difference is what's going on in their heads. From '95 onwards we had Plugger, Roos and Kelly,
three out-and-out superstars running the shop and basically dragging everyone else along with them.
These were just three guys who led from the front, and refused under any circumstances to be beaten.
Players like this raise the bar for everyone.
Carlton have Cripps, a natural born leader and their best player, but they need two more of him, and it
won't matter who coaches them.

[KSAS]

A close friend of mine told me last week that a Carlton insider told him that Silvagni didn't like Bolton at all. I love it how all and sundry in the media reckon Carlton has a good list. (put together by Silvagni)
Was walking down Smith St Collingwood this arvo and guess who was walking the other way.....none other than Ross Lyon. Perhaps looking for a coffee shop for a quiet chat to someone. Listening to the news right now and his name was mentioned.

Think you were onto something Nico as Ross Lyon was seen having lunch with Steve Silvagni in Carlton today!

AFL 2019: Carlton coach staff meet with Ross Lyon | Brendon Bolton

[neilfws]

I feel a Carlton graph coming on. Here are their margins in each game from the Denis Pagan era to now. In a way, they are back where they started 15 years ago.

I doubt Ratten would come back but looking at that, you have to wonder at the decision to sack him. His H & A wins are 51.29%. Malthouse was 37.5%.

[Legs Akimbo]

I feel a Carlton graph coming on. Here are their margins in each game from the Denis Pagan era to now. In a way, they are back where they started 15 years ago.

I doubt Ratten would come back but looking at that, you have to wonder at the decision to sack him. His H & A wins are 51.29%. Malthouse was 37.5%.

Sacking Ratten was a terrible call. From memory their list was overrated back then too.

[Blood Fever]

Sacking Ratten was a terrible call. From memory their list was overrated back then too.

They were by far the most arrogant club and got their just desserts. Sacking Ratten was the epitome of delusion. Who would have thought that they would be down for so long! Still hard for me to have pity. We used to get many hammerings at Princes Park.

[mcs]

They were by far the most arrogant club and got their just desserts. Sacking Ratten was the epitome of delusion. Who would have thought that they would be down for so long! Still hard for me to have pity. We used to get many hammerings at Princes Park.

I have no pity after their role in trying to finish us off once and for all in our darkest hour in the 90s.

May they stay in purgatory for many a year if you ask me.

[MattW]

I feel a Carlton graph coming on. Here are their margins in each game from the Denis Pagan era to now. In a way, they are back where they started 15 years ago.

I doubt Ratten would come back but looking at that, you have to wonder at the decision to sack him. His H & A wins are 51.29%. Malthouse was 37.5%.

Excellent work, Neil.

[dimelb]

Thanks neilfws, quite illuminating in its own way.