#AFL Round 15 Swans v Suns Sat 29-Jun at SCG #AFLSwansSuns @sydneyswans

[goswannies]

My thoughts are that it has absolutely nothing to do with his rotator cuff. You don't dislocate your shoulder when you have a rotator cuff tear

No. But you can tear a rotator cuff when you dislocate a shoulder.

and you can actually function reasonably normally, though it progressively starts to hurt more.

With a torn RC, repaired RC or a dislocation?

On a side note, with a rotator cuff operation you are in a sling for 6 weeks and then need another 6-12 weeks of physio to increase range of motion.

Generally true but it’s also surgery dependant and surgeon dependant. I work with some surgeons who, with smaller cuff repairs use a sling for 4 weeks and another who is far more aggressive with their rehab. But 1) these cases are quite specific 2) in my experience the majority of cases do dictate 6 weeks in a sling a slow/conservative rehab to respect the soft tissue healing process.

[goswannies]

And the club is - at this stage - going the conservative route & at very best back in 3 weeks although surgery isn’t excluded

Shoulder injury leaves Swans out of Sinc for three weeks - AFL.com.au

Good luck Cal & the medical staff!

[Captain]

With a torn RC, repaired RC or a dislocation?

With a torn RC.

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And the club is - at this stage - going the conservative route & at very best back in 3 weeks although surgery isn’t excluded

Shoulder injury leaves Swans out of Sinc for three weeks - AFL.com.au

Good luck Cal & the medical staff!

I reckon they are figuring there is nothing to lose by trying for the 3 weeks rather than sending him straight off for an op. Makes sense.

[goswannies]

With a torn RC

Then yes ... and no.

A partial tear - especially one that heals, yes.

A full tear (often supraspinatus) or involving multiple tendons of the RC, not likely. This is because the RC is responsible for rotating the arm as well as contributing to elevation of the arm beyond 30!degrees. The deltoid is a significant elevator of the arm, however, the RC also contributes and it also helps to stabilise the proximal pull of the humeral head on the glenoid when the deltoid contracts. With a heavily or fully compromised RC, you will lose power and range. This is potentially ok was we get older and don’t always need to perform a lot of overhead activity (& can get away with deltoid muscle compensation) but not great for younger people or elite athletes. That’s a very simplistic description, but it’s mostly just to illustrate that a torn RC can have significant consequences.

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Coaches votes

9

Jordan Dawson (SYD)

9

Luke Parker (SYD)

5

Isaac Heeney (SYD)

3

Callum Mills (SYD)

2

Dane Rampe (SYD)

2

Josh Kennedy (SYD

[Captain]

Then yes ... and no.

A partial tear - especially one that heals, yes.

A full tear (often supraspinatus) or involving multiple tendons of the RC, not likely. This is because the RC is responsible for rotating the arm as well as contributing to elevation of the arm beyond 30!degrees. The deltoid is a significant elevator of the arm, however, the RC also contributes and it also helps to stabilise the proximal pull of the humeral head on the glenoid when the deltoid contracts. With a heavily or fully compromised RC, you will lose power and range. This is potentially ok was we get older and don’t always need to perform a lot of overhead activity (& can get away with deltoid muscle compensation) but not great for younger people or elite athletes. That’s a very simplistic description, but it’s mostly just to illustrate that a torn RC can have significant consequences.

Only going off my own experiences with full tears. I could still completely function, play footy and do weights. The only thing I struggled with was overhead dumbbell presses.

[dejavoodoo44]

Coaches votes

9

Jordan Dawson (SYD)

9

Luke Parker (SYD)

5

Isaac Heeney (SYD)

3

Callum Mills (SYD)

2

Dane Rampe (SYD)

2

Josh Kennedy (SYD

Slightly surprised that Dawson didn't get the perfect ten. And I would have given my second vote to Mills. But hey, with Parker getting nine, at least we now have someone on the leader board.

[liz]

Slightly surprised that Dawson didn't get the perfect ten. And I would have given my second vote to Mills. But hey, with Parker getting nine, at least we now have someone on the leader board.

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[dejavoodoo44]

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Yes, but that's something that I usually don't get around to doing, until just before the kickoff of the next game.

[goswannies]

Only going off my own experiences with full tears. I could still completely function, play footy and do weights. The only thing I struggled with was overhead dumbbell presses.

Of course. Can’t refute personal experience. Every case is different. And as (I think) I might have written somewhere, there are 4 parts to the rotator cuff, so if the majority are intact, some compensation can occur, as does the deltoid.

[Beerman]

Only going off my own experiences with full tears. I could still completely function, play footy and do weights. The only thing I struggled with was overhead dumbbell presses.

I had a minor tear to my rotator cuff, and certain motions were extremely painful - there's no way I would have been playing football.

To be fair, there were some concomitant injuries in my case (abrasions & bruising especially on the hip, but also on the back and shoulder and a concussion for good measure) which may have played a part in that, but the shoulder tear was the one that generated the most pain for me and lasted the longest.

[Auntie.Gerald]

A few of us last season wanted Dawson to become a HBF swingman or third tall in defence attack to use his beautiful kicking as a weapon to counter attack with

We finally saw him in full flight on the weekend show what he can do in this position

[Blood Fever]

A few of us last season wanted Dawson to become a HBF swingman or third tall in defence attack to use his beautiful kicking as a weapon to counter attack with

We finally saw him in full flight on the weekend show what he can do in this position

Is he a better kick than Malceski? Joy to behold!

[dejavoodoo44]

Is he a better kick than Malceski? Joy to behold!

In my mind, there a bit different in their preferred kicking style. I think Malceski used to kick a lot more darts: kicks that travelled between twenty and forty metres, without getting more than three or four metres above the ground, before directly hitting the target. Whereas Dawson tends to air it out a bit more, and probably goes more for a landing spot, where a team mate can run to the ball. Much like a gun quarterback, dropping it into the path of a breaking wide receiver. The best example of that on Saturday, was when he hit Papley in the left forward pocket. Of course, it's easier for the kicker if there are leads in motion. In that case, Papley started his lead from the right half forward flank, and was always clear of his opponent.

Actually, Papley's energetic leading has been impressing me lately. One thing that I've noticed recently, is at some centre bounces, he starts from wide right and then rapidly moves across half forward. I suspect that as well as hopefully providing a free target, the idea is to have him rapidly moving towards any dump kicks from the centre, with his pace giving him an advantage over the more static central defenders.

[Markwebbos]

Is he a better kick than Malceski? Joy to behold!

Reckon he's better in general play than the Great Malceski. He's certain better defensively and can take a mark.