#AFL Round 17 Swans v Blues Sat 13-Jul at SCG #AFLSwansBlues @sydneyswans

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  • barry
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 8499

    Originally posted by AB Swannie
    A couple of weeks ago we had won three in a row including a smashing of the reigning premiers. Now we’ve lost two by a combined 17 points without our superstar forward and with no ruck and everyone jumps off. I agree that it is disappointing but we need to put everything into context. We are a rebuilding team who are going to have ups and downs.
    .
    No one is jumping off, but those two losses are against very ordinary teams. Losing to Carlton?, At home?.
    We are a long way from a finals side, and our Ruck and superstar forward are both the wrong side of 30 and will need replacing before we contend again.
    The 3 wins could have been a bit of fools gold.

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    • Swanny40519
      Regular in the side.
      • Oct 2012
      • 469

      Went to the windy SGC yesterday, walked out shaking my head about the way we were playing, watched replay of the game last night and I woke up this morning more worried.

      I really don't understand the coaching tactics that want all of or mids and defenders to stand back 3-4 metres from their opposition player and let them mark and play on, or handball to another player with no Swan nearby. Then when we do get the ball our immediate reaction is to handball away to another player in a worse position or one that is surrounded by 2-3 opposition players. Our goal kicking is deplorable completely off the scale.

      So what in the hell are our so called professional coaching staff doing about improving our skills. Yes we have a lot of younger players but so do a lot of other clubs, our skill level is terrible.

      We give away so many uncontested possessions.

      Our game style is terrible, to watch and to keep the scoreboard moving. I know we don't have Buddy but other teams manage to score more goals than we do without a superstar forward.

      We need to take a good long hard look at all aspects of our football department and game style over the long hot summer.

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      • waswan
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2015
        • 2047

        I wonder if Alir goes against Sandilands and Lobb or are they tall enough to warrant playing an actual Ruck ?
        Or if that Fyfe guy is warranted of a tag ? Maybe Clarke ?
        Essendon was winnable but we just ran out of legs, Carlton was lost at selection.
        Play a ruck and Alir can help Ramps against a guy a foot taller
        Tag Walsh and they have no run
        Piss poor coaching box
        3 more years of this muppet

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        • Auntie.Gerald
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2009
          • 6483

          The tap work was the major issue for me

          Hitouts 20 < 55
          Clearances 32 < 45
          Stoppage clearances 24 < 34

          U can’t win games with that area of the game providing a nightmare for our defence

          The ball came in hot and we struggled

          U have to get ur hands on the ball in the middle to win more then u lose

          Frustrating but part of the journey

          Not many great options for the ruck yest and we still only just lost

          Onward we go
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • grarmy
            Warming the Bench
            • Aug 2010
            • 406

            Cannot see this group making progress next year either. Without the inclusion of some key position players the quest to build from the bottom up will be long and painfull.

            In no particular order the Swans need some genuine ruck stocks and a new bull midfielder (Kennedy has run himself into the ground). We need psychiatric support staff. I mean this. There is something wrong in the heads of players who cannot kick straight some 20 metres from goal or to an unmanned team mate.
            "Play like you can’t lose."

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            • Ralph Dawg
              Senior Player
              • Apr 2018
              • 1729

              No need to panic. We've got some good players, still a bit young so I wouldn't expect across the board consistency.
              Re coaching, I think our hand was forced as something had to be done about the midfield contest. We were getting hammered there and the only thing keeping us in the game was some poor options by the Blues. By swinging an extra player into the contest in the third, we stemmed the flow to an extent and stayed in the game, at least on the scoreboard. This has been our way for a number of years under Longmire. It's frustrating because it leaves them with one free in defence but sets us up for one last tilt as we are always within striking distance.
              I think now that we are out of finals contention, we can stop the tactic of an extra in the midfield. Play more of an accountable style and see what we've got. We had been doing this prior to the bombers game and perhaps losing our ruck with the flow on disruption to our key position stocks has made Horse revert back to old ways. Picking a ruckman would definitely help.

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                Originally posted by Swanny40519
                Went to the windy SGC yesterday, walked out shaking my head about the way we were playing, watched replay of the game last night and I woke up this morning more worried.

                I really don't understand the coaching tactics that want all of or mids and defenders to stand back 3-4 metres from their opposition player and let them mark and play on, or handball to another player with no Swan nearby. Then when we do get the ball our immediate reaction is to handball away to another player in a worse position or one that is surrounded by 2-3 opposition players. Our goal kicking is deplorable completely off the scale.

                So what in the hell are our so called professional coaching staff doing about improving our skills. Yes we have a lot of younger players but so do a lot of other clubs, our skill level is terrible.

                We give away so many uncontested possessions.

                Our game style is terrible, to watch and to keep the scoreboard moving. I know we don't have Buddy but other teams manage to score more goals than we do without a superstar forward.

                We need to take a good long hard look at all aspects of our football department and game style over the long hot summer.
                Apart from the bit about going to the SCG, I agree with every word of this.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  Hayward and Ronke are both having poor seasons, but I think they will find their best form in due course. This is especially true for Hayward, who has both talent and endeavour. I don't think a player just loses talent, but many go through down periods, especially when it comes to goal kicking.

                  I mentioned it several times before, but Ronke's problem is his ineffectiveness as a pressure player, which he self-identifies as, so he knows what he has to do to stay in the seniors. I'm not so sure about Ronke, but he has the basic tools to be a good pressure player, he's still quite young and determined. He's contracted for next year, so we'll see how he goes.


                  Every team has gone through extremes this year. Collingwood were worse than us last week and then come out this week, play great footy despite missing many star players and beat the Eagles, the Premiers who are going so well, except for the fact that we smashed them just a few weeks ago.

                  We still have a lot of development to go through to become a top competitive team and it probably won't happen next year, but hopefully we will see some solid improvement.
                  Last edited by Ludwig; 14 July 2019, 02:35 PM.

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                  • 0918330512
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 1654

                    Originally posted by waswan
                    I wonder if Alir goes against Sandilands and Lobb or are they tall enough to warrant playing an actual Ruck ?
                    Or if that Fyfe guy is warranted of a tag ? Maybe Clarke ?
                    Essendon was winnable but we just ran out of legs, Carlton was lost at selection.
                    Play a ruck and Alir can help Ramps against a guy a foot taller
                    Tag Walsh and they have no run
                    Piss poor coaching box
                    3 more years of this muppet
                    Ah there it is!! Didn’t take long

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                    • Blood Fever
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4051

                      Originally posted by 09183305
                      Ah there it is!! Didn’t take long
                      A lot of panic merchants around

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                      • Ludwig
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9359

                        Originally posted by waswan
                        Piss poor coaching box
                        3 more years of this muppet
                        Make that 4!

                        That should cheer you up.

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                        • stevoswan
                          Veterans List
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 8573

                          Originally posted by waswan
                          I wonder if Alir goes against Sandilands and Lobb or are they tall enough to warrant playing an actual Ruck ?
                          Or if that Fyfe guy is warranted of a tag ? Maybe Clarke ?
                          Essendon was winnable but we just ran out of legs, Carlton was lost at selection.
                          Play a ruck and Alir can help Ramps against a guy a foot taller
                          Tag Walsh and they have no run
                          Piss poor coaching box
                          3 more years of this muppet
                          4 actually....which means 4 more years of your harping.

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                          • stevoswan
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8573

                            Originally posted by grarmy
                            Cannot see this group making progress next year either. Without the inclusion of some key position players the quest to build from the bottom up will be long and painfull.

                            In no particular order the Swans need some genuine ruck stocks and a new bull midfielder (Kennedy has run himself into the ground). We need psychiatric support staff. I mean this. There is something wrong in the heads of players who cannot kick straight some 20 metres from goal or to an unmanned team mate.
                            Shows how much you know about the club you 'support'. The Swans have excellent psych support, possibly the best in the league.....Longmire is renowned for building up this aspect of the club.

                            We obviously need more skills coaching so the coaching panel definitely do need to lift their game in this area.

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                            • grarmy
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 406

                              Originally posted by stevoswan
                              Shows how much you know about the club you 'support'. The Swans have excellent psych support, possibly the best in the league.....Longmire is renowned for building up this aspect of the club.

                              We obviously need more skills coaching so the coaching panel definitely do need to lift their game in this area.
                              How come you are not at the Castlemaine pub? If they have such excellent psych support how come Reid and co. cannot kick straight. What about cutting a deal with your therapist and have him work it out?
                              "Play like you can’t lose."

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                              • stevoswan
                                Veterans List
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 8573

                                Originally posted by grarmy
                                How come you are not at the Castlemaine pub? If they have such excellent psych support how come Reid and co. cannot kick straight. What about cutting a deal with your therapist and have him work it out?
                                Nice work mate.....keep punching!

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