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  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    Team List Changes for round 20 v Giants

    OK so Horse in his presser says Hayward has had an operation and is done for the year. Buddy still "two weeks" away. Ollie due back this week. He also implied that Naismith coming back was a possibility. Surely a slim one.

    Thought Ronke went OK. Melican, Stoddart and McLean all struggled. Don't think they can persist with McLean as the #1 ruckman.

    The Giants have 3 tall forwards and may well play 2 ruckman against us as they did against Port. I think the best option would be to keep McLean in the side but play him as a fwd/ruck and play McCartin back.

    OUT: Stoddart, Melican
    IN: Florent, Knoll / Naismith
  • Blood Fever
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 4051

    #2
    Originally posted by Markwebbos
    OK so Horse in his presser says Hayward has had an operation and is done for the year. Buddy still "two weeks" away. Ollie due back this week. He also implied that Naismith coming back was a possibility. Surely a slim one.

    Thought Ronke went OK. Melican, Stoddart and McLean all struggled. Don't think they can persist with McLean as the #1 ruckman.


    The Giants have 3 tall forwards and may well play 2 ruckman against us as they did against Port. I think the best option would be to keep McLean in the side but play him as a fwd/ruck and play McCartin back.

    OUT: Stoddart, Melican
    IN: Florent, Knoll / Naismith
    Melican can be forgiven for one poor game.

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      #3
      I worry that he'll get murdered against the Giants

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        #4
        The giants will play both Ruckman at least until Patton comes back (whenever that is?). Both are old crocks who can't single-handidly ruck a game on their own. It's their strength and their weakness.

        If Naismith is ready, it's straight back in.

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        • Agent 86
          Senior Player
          • Aug 2004
          • 1690

          #5
          Originally posted by barry
          The giants will play both Ruckman at least until Patton comes back (whenever that is?). Both are old crocks who can't single-handidly ruck a game on their own. It's their strength and their weakness.

          If Naismith is ready, it's straight back in.
          Horse mentioned hit-out discrepancy stats today (which is unusual the mention, that is, not the stat) so no doubt they’re aware we’re being smashed here. My guess, tho, is he won’t be back so soon. One game with limited time sounds like… not yet.

          Big ask for players like AA, McLean, Reid, Fox et al to fill this gap tho’, so something’s gotta give.

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          • MattW
            Veterans List
            • May 2011
            • 4232

            #6
            Originally posted by Markwebbos
            OK so Horse in his presser says Hayward has had an operation and is done for the year. Buddy still "two weeks" away. Ollie due back this week. He also implied that Naismith coming back was a possibility. Surely a slim one.

            Thought Ronke went OK. Melican, Stoddart and McLean all struggled. Don't think they can persist with McLean as the #1 ruckman.

            The Giants have 3 tall forwards and may well play 2 ruckman against us as they did against Port. I think the best option would be to keep McLean in the side but play him as a fwd/ruck and play McCartin back.

            OUT: Stoddart, Melican
            IN: Florent, Knoll / Naismith
            Fox out before Stoddart.

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              #7
              Originally posted by barry
              The giants will play both Ruckman at least until Patton comes back (whenever that is?). Both are old crocks who can't single-handidly ruck a game on their own. It's their strength and their weakness.

              If Naismith is ready, it's straight back in.
              The question is whether he's ready. I doubt it

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              • KSAS
                Senior Player
                • Mar 2018
                • 1809

                #8
                IN: Knoll, Menzel, Florent, Thurlow
                OUT: Melican, Fox, Stoddard, Clarke

                Knoll allows McLean to play as a KPD in replace of Melican and as 2nd Ruck.
                Menzel as forward, allowing flexibility playing McCartin down back when McLean is in ruck.
                Would like to keep Stoddard for development purposes, but Florent needs to come back in.
                Thurlow for Clarke for defence rotation/balance & flexibility for Mills to play some midfield minutes.

                FB: Lloyd Rampe McLean
                HB: Mills Allir O'Riordan
                C: Florent Jones Dawson
                HF: Heeney McCartin Papley
                FF: Blakey Reid Ronke
                R: Knoll, Kennedy, Parker

                Int: Hewett, Menzel, Thurlow, Rowbottom
                Last edited by KSAS; 29 July 2019, 03:21 AM.

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                • Ralph Dawg
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2018
                  • 1729

                  #9
                  In Knoll Florent
                  Out Melican Fox
                  This is going to be a difficult game. Giants have a tall mobile forward line, which will be at least as threatening as the cat's.
                  Melican was badly found out on Sunday, needs to head back to NEAFL and work on his positional play.
                  McCartain to play back, McLean forward with Knoll to ruck. He will be up against Simpson, a match up he would be expected to compete in at NEAFL level.
                  Fox out as not needed as second ruck or as second tagger given GWS midfield injuries.

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                  • caj23
                    Senior Player
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 2462

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Markwebbos
                    The question is whether he's ready. I doubt it
                    History suggests that's not a relevant consideration, I'd be shocked if they don't select him

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      #11
                      Originally posted by caj23
                      History suggests that's not a relevant consideration, I'd be shocked if they don't select him
                      Horse said he played 60 minutes in the NEAFL. It would be a huge step up. And against Mumford who could hurt him.

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                      • mcs
                        Travelling Swannie!!
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8177

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                        In Knoll Florent
                        Out Melican Fox
                        This is going to be a difficult game. Giants have a tall mobile forward line, which will be at least as threatening as the cat's.
                        Melican was badly found out on Sunday, needs to head back to NEAFL and work on his positional play.
                        McCartain to play back, McLean forward with Knoll to ruck. He will be up against Simpson, a match up he would be expected to compete in at NEAFL level.
                        Fox out as not needed as second ruck or as second tagger given GWS midfield injuries.
                        I do wish that we would learn to defend from in front sometimes, rather than behind all the time. It is not nearly as an effective tactic with the way footy was going, and Melican in particular gets caught out as he gets done for pace too often then not.

                        I expect if Naismith got through ok the NEAFL game in terms of how he recovers he will be in, and Florent if he is ok will be back in. Probably for Fox and McLean, who despite fading badly yesterday did some nice stuff in the first quarter - there is something about him that I like a lot.
                        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                        • Thunder Shaker
                          Aut vincere aut mori
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 4226

                          #13
                          Our ruck stocks are so depleted at the moment that Naismith may be considered even if he's a little underdone.

                          Longmire considers Naismith recall
                          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                          • Blood Fever
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4051

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                            Our ruck stocks are so depleted at the moment that Naismith may be considered even if he's a little underdone.

                            Longmire considers Naismith recall
                            No point in rushing him given our predicament. 60 minutes not a lot of footy after being out so long.

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                            • mcs
                              Travelling Swannie!!
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8177

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                              Our ruck stocks are so depleted at the moment that Naismith may be considered even if he's a little underdone.

                              Longmire considers Naismith recall
                              Seems crazy for mine to include him (although I think they will) after such a long lay off, and given we have nothing to play for in reality. I'm not for one second suggesting we should be trying to tank it, but why risk him getting injured again where we could ease him back through a month more of NEAFL + likely at least one final, and have him ready to have a full, uninterrupted pre-season.
                              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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