2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Mark26]

Braeden Campbell highlights looks really good, especially that goal on the run from 55 meters out at the beginning of the AFL video.

What we need big time.

Screw DH, why even take the risk on a player who has so many issues and may cost us so much money and/or draft picks.

Lets go to the draft.

I agree that we need to focus on prioritising the future. For me that's Gulden and Campbell in this draft. There's a good recent interview which runs for about 15mins between Campbell and Cal Twoomey. Even though he's finished school, he still sounds like a kid doing his HSC / VCE. Sometimes I forget how green these lads are when they get recruited! Still in their formative years, bless them.

[dejavoodoo44]

Talk about Salary Cap being cut by $2mill, that put a spanner in the JD works.

I am very nervous about the proposed cuts to playing lists, the structure of second tier comps, the massive cut to footy departments.

If the AFL wants to cut costs, take a hatchet to AFL HQ, seems every failed coach gets a job in there with some stupid title and while they're at it, cut the salaries in half and they'll still be getting way more than they could outside of AFL HQ. Severely downsize and cost cut onall those gala puff events, leave playing lists in tact.

A scary exercise is to try and get our list down to 35 next year given we'll take at least two or three in the ND. We'll be cutting a number of players I'd really like to retain :-(

AFL has lost the plot.

One cost saving measure that I would like to see, is not to have any rule changes next year. That is, no longer employ anybody this season to think up any changes. Don't employ anybody next year to implement the changes. Don't spend any money writing up new rules. And don't spend any money running surveys, to ascertain just how much the new rules are pissing off fans.

[Captain]

SEN lists each clubs biggest draft bust of the 21st century. Ours they say is Patrick Vezpremi.

The biggest draft bust from all 18 AFL teams this century

[Cyril] Rioli, Brad Ebert, Robbie Tarrant, Callan Ward, Harry Taylor, Easton Wood, Cale Hooker, Jack Steven and Taylor Walker were all taken after Veszpremi in that same draft.

Terrible pick at the time and still is.

[707]

One cost saving measure that I would like to see, is not to have any rule changes next year. That is, no longer employ anybody this season to think up any changes. Don't employ anybody next year to implement the changes. Don't spend any money writing up new rules. And don't spend any money running surveys, to ascertain just how much the new rules are pissing off fans.

Did I hear $130 mill p.a. to run and administer the AFL? A lot of people on big money doing non core things. Strip back the administration and non essential stuff (I'm looking at you AFLX) before you cut a single player.

[dejavoodoo44]

Did I hear $130 mill p.a. to run and administer the AFL? A lot of people on big money doing non core things. Strip back the administration and non essential stuff (I'm looking at you AFLX) before you cut a single player.

Yes, and hopefully the planned conquest of the Chinese market will be put on hold.

[Blood Fever]

Did I hear $130 mill p.a. to run and administer the AFL? A lot of people on big money doing non core things. Strip back the administration and non essential stuff (I'm looking at you AFLX) before you cut a single player.

If they have stripped back assistant coaches etc, only fair that AFL HQ is also affected. Executives salary should come down in line with players. Don't follow Cricket Australia where staff pay cut by 80% while executives' pay was cut by 20%. Stone deaf entitlement.

[dejavoodoo44]

I think Taylor Walker was an Adelaide NSW scholarship pick, so he wasn't an option. But picking Vesper instead of Callan "Grand-son-of-the-Gunn" Ward was a very strange and poor decision.

If I remember rightly, there was the perception that Ebert would head back to Port Adelaide, as soon as possible. There was also talk, that Cyril gave the most incoherent interviews in the history of the draft; which led to theories that he'd already reached some sort of agreement with Hawthorn.

[dejavoodoo44]

SEN lists each clubs biggest draft bust of the 21st century. Ours they say is Patrick Vezpremi.

The biggest draft bust from all 18 AFL teams this century

[Cyril] Rioli, Brad Ebert, Robbie Tarrant, Callan Ward, Harry Taylor, Easton Wood, Cale Hooker, Jack Steven and Taylor Walker were all taken after Veszpremi in that same draft.

An odd choice. Any quick look at the data says it's Daniel O'Keefe. Our first pick in 2006, he was taken late in the first round. Due to a variety of injuries, he retired before playing a single AFL game. Whereas Veszpremi played some pretty good games for us, over a couple of seasons, before being traded to the Bulldogs. The player we got in return was Andrejs Everitt: who while inconsistent, played plenty of good games for us. So, the Veszpremi pick was not a total bust.

[rb4x]

DOK or Josh Willoughby pick 16 in 2003 both bigger busts than Vezpremi with no games between them. Ling is yet to prove he can do better as well.

[liz]

An odd choice. Any quick look at the data says it's Daniel O'Keefe. Our first pick in 2006, he was taken late in the first round. Due to a variety of injuries, he retired before playing a single AFL game. Whereas Veszpremi played some pretty good games for us, over a couple of seasons, before being traded to the Bulldogs. The player we got in return was Andrejs Everitt: who while inconsistent, played plenty of good games for us. So, the Veszpremi pick was not a total bust.

Willoughby, DOK, Vez, Johnston - we had quite a range of contenders of first round picks taken in the naughties.

As you say, Vez did play a handful of decent games for us, and Everitt wasn't a complete bust. He might have been an excellent player in the 90s (or earlier), before there became such an emphasis on endurance. But he was never able (or willing) to build up the endurance required to play AFL nowadays (or even a decade ago). Johnston similarly had talent but not the body. DOK was hampered by groin injuries from almost the time he arrived at the club.

Willoughby was maybe the biggest bust of them all - a small, slightly built player who never looked remotely like making it at senior level.

Part of their assessment may be based on who was left on the table after we selected our player. The aura surrounding Rioli makes the Vez pick look bad, despite, as you point out, it being widely acknowledged that Rioli tanked interview with non-Victorian clubs. He also performed appallingly at the draft camp - especially in the endurance tests.

The 2003 draft, where we took Willoughby, looks pretty bare in hindsight. You have to look hard for gems taken after him in that draft but there are some there - David Mundy three picks later is the standout, while Jed Adcock, Sam Fisher, Michael Rischitelli and Ben Hudson are a few of the others from that year who had good to very good AFL careers. (And Amon Buchanan.)

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2003&t=N&s=P

[dejavoodoo44]

DOK or Josh Willoughby pick 16 in 2003 both bigger busts than Vezpremi with no games between them. Ling is yet to prove he can do better as well.

Yes, after typing that, I had a vague recall that there was another first rounder from around that time, who didn't play a game, but I couldn't think of his name. However, I'm fairly confident that Ling will prove his worth, over the next season or two.

[dejavoodoo44]

Willoughby, DOK, Vez, Johnston - we had quite a range of contenders of first round picks taken in the naughties.

As you say, Vez did play a handful of decent games for us, and Everitt wasn't a complete bust. He might have been an excellent player in the 90s (or earlier), before there became such an emphasis on endurance. But he was never able (or willing) to build up the endurance required to play AFL nowadays (or even a decade ago). Johnston similarly had talent but not the body. DOK was hampered by groin injuries from almost the time he arrived at the club.

Willoughby was maybe the biggest bust of them all - a small, slightly built player who never looked remotely like making it at senior level.

Part of their assessment may be based on who was left on the table after we selected our player. The aura surrounding Rioli makes the Vez pick look bad, despite, as you point out, it being widely acknowledged that Rioli tanked interview with non-Victorian clubs. He also performed appallingly at the draft camp - especially in the endurance tests.

The 2003 draft, where we took Willoughby, looks pretty bare in hindsight. You have to look hard for gems taken after him in that draft but there are some there - David Mundy three picks later is the standout, while Jed Adcock, Sam Fisher, Michael Rischitelli and Ben Hudson are a few of the others from that year who had good to very good AFL careers. (And Amon Buchanan.)

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...r=2003&t=N&s=P

Yes, you may be right with Willoughby. I mean, I'd forgotten that he existed.

And I find it slightly odd, but tempting, to judge a pick, on the careers of those who were picked later. It tends to gloss over the fact, that most of the other recruiters also didn't pick that player. And also, while there may be a few standout and obvious choices, at the top of the draft, the differences in potential of most of the other prospects, would be marginal. So, there's a fair amount of randomness, as to who succeeds and who doesn't.

[Blood Fever]

Willoughby, DOK, Vez, Johnston - we had quite a range of contenders of first round picks taken in the naughties.

As you say, Vez did play a handful of decent games for us, and Everitt wasn't a complete bust. He might have been an excellent player in the 90s (or earlier), before there became such an emphasis on endurance. But he was never able (or willing) to build up the endurance required to play AFL nowadays (or even a decade ago). Johnston similarly had talent but not the body. DOK was hampered by groin injuries from almost the time he arrived at the club.

Willoughby was maybe the biggest bust of them all - a small, slightly built player who never looked remotely like making it at senior level.

Part of their assessment may be based on who was left on the table after we selected our player. The aura surrounding Rioli makes the Vez pick look bad, despite, as you point out, it being widely acknowledged that Rioli tanked interview with non-Victorian clubs. He also performed appallingly at the draft camp - especially in the endurance tests.

The 2003 draft, where we took Willoughby, looks pretty bare in hindsight. You have to look hard for gems taken after him in that draft but there are some there - David Mundy three picks later is the standout, while Jed Adcock, Sam Fisher, Michael Rischitelli and Ben Hudson are a few of the others from that year who had good to very good AFL careers. (And Amon Buchanan.)

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...r=2003&t=N&s=P

Everitt played some big games for us - remember him playing well against Essendon at Marvel Stadium and kicking a late winning goal against Geelong? at SCG. Think Mitch Morton took his spot late in 2012 season.

[liz]

Everitt played some big games for us - remember him playing well against Essendon at Marvel Stadium and kicking a late winning goal against Geelong? at SCG. Think Mitch Morton took his spot late in 2012 season.

Yeah, and we didn't delist him. We traded him to Carlton, swapping our third round pick with their second round pick. We used that second round pick on George Hewett. It's impossible to know how drafts would have panned out with different picks, but it's probably unlikely Hewett would still have been there when that third round pick came around. Carlton used that pick on a player who never played a senior game.


Blues get their man

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2013&t=N&s=P

[Cosmic Wizard]

If your going to the draft who do you propose to draft?

I would pick:
1. Finlay Macrae 184cm, 79kg
2. Luke Edwards 187cm, 78kg
3. Riley Thilthorpe 199cm, 96kg

We don't need any small players as Braeden Campbell is 178cm and he will come to us as Academy.

What we need is midfielders.

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It’s not an either or though, surely? And JD not going to cost us draft picks. He would chew up salary cap though.

Essendon will match out offer just to screw with us.

I am really hoping that they put on the table a huge contract for JD just to force our hand.

We then say no, and they are left with this huge hole in their salary cap.

Could not happen to a nicer group of people!