2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[707]

Getting worrying now, first round out to 21 picks, with Crouch it will be 22 picks, if GWS, after all the tough talk from their CEO and Recruiters, just fold and don't match it will be 23 picks in the first round.

That's about where Gulden may attract a bid meaning there's a danger any deficit comes of our first rounder next year. There will be a few pre planned pick swaps waiting to be activated depending on what happens on draft night.

Speaking of Gulden, Liz, am I correct in thinking you saw Gulden play as a 16yo somewhere and posted on here that he looked a certain 2021 R1 starter for us based on what you observed?

For those that don't visit Big Footy, do yourself a favour and have a look at the excellent spreadsheet on the Trading, Drafting forum, it's a sticky towards the top of the page, it's by far and away the best graphic of draft picks, so easy to see exactly who has what and the effect of compo picks.

[Markwebbos]

Having seen what Geelong are allegedly offering Cameron $950k x 5 years, I’m not sure GW$ will match.

[The Big Cat]

The further our academy picks get shuffled back by compensation etc the better. The points we will save by them being lower down the pecking order far outweigh the points we will lose by our later picks being blown out

[Markwebbos]

The further our academy picks get shuffled back by compensation etc the better. The points we will save by them being lower down the pecking order far outweigh the points we will lose by our later picks being blown out

Pls explain?

[707]

The further our academy picks get shuffled back by compensation etc the better. The points we will save by them being lower down the pecking order far outweigh the points we will lose by our later picks being blown out

Not sure you've got that right Big Cat. The more early compo picks the longer the first round goes the more likely Gulden gets picked in the first round. Plus the loss of points to pay for Campbell and Gulden as our other picks get pushed back between four and seven picks.

I'm eyeing off Gold Coasts picks currently 26 & 36 (could end up 28 & 38) that they probably won't use, for our 2021 second. That would change our whole hand this year. Basically using pick 4 this year but losing our 2021 second rounder.

[Markwebbos]

Not sure you've got that right Big Cat. The more early compo picks the longer the first round goes the more likely Gulden gets picked in the first round. Plus the loss of points to pay for Campbell and Gulden as our other picks get pushed back between four and seven picks.

I'm eyeing off Gold Coasts picks currently 26 & 36 (could end up 28 & 38) that they probably won't use, for our 2021 second. That would change our whole hand this year. Basically using pick 4 this year but losing our 2021 second rounder.

They’ll have to pay something for Markov ... and the Treloar deal isn’t over yet, otherwise a win-win. Other clubs will have a similar idea though.

[Jimitron5000]

Not sure you've got that right Big Cat. The more early compo picks the longer the first round goes the more likely Gulden gets picked in the first round. Plus the loss of points to pay for Campbell and Gulden as our other picks get pushed back between four and seven picks.

I'm eyeing off Gold Coasts picks currently 26 & 36 (could end up 28 & 38) that they probably won't use, for our 2021 second. That would change our whole hand this year. Basically using pick 4 this year but losing our 2021 second rounder.

I like your thinking with that.
Seeing Harry Taylor retiring made me consider offloading one of our key defenders to Geelong in exchange for a draft pick somewhere along the way. This might be a little ambitious but Melican + our second rounder (24) in exchange for their first rounder (20).

[Ludwig]

I like your thinking with that.
Seeing Harry Taylor retiring made me consider offloading one of our key defenders to Geelong in exchange for a draft pick somewhere along the way. This might be a little ambitious but Melican + our second rounder (24) in exchange for their first rounder (20).

The only value this has is adding 127 value points to be used to match the Campbell bid. That equates trading Melican for a pick 62. Was that the intent of your suggestion?

[707]

Breaking news, GWS to match for Cameron, Geelong now have to trade for him. One less extra first round pick

[Markwebbos]

The only value this has is adding 127 value points to be used to match the Campbell bid. That equates trading Melican for a pick 62. Was that the intent of your suggestion?

Cats are not short on talls. They've got the younger de Koning waiting in the wings. They also have a surfeit of ruckmen: Fort, Ratugolea, Blicavs. I wonder if Fort is worth pursuing

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Breaking news, GWS to match for Cameron, Geelong now have to trade for him. One less extra first round pick

Wow! What if Geelong call their bluff?

[Markwebbos]

Should be fascinating to watch. Feels like a line in the sand moment:

GWS inform Geelong of intention to match Cameron free agency offer

If Cameron still decides to leave, the Giants will demand compensation reflective of his contract offer from the Cats. It is believed their starting position will be two first round draft picks and a player. Fox Footy’s Tom Morris reported on Saturday that Geelong’s five-year offer to Cameron is worth around $900,000 per season.

[Jimitron5000]

The only value this has is adding 127 value points to be used to match the Campbell bid. That equates trading Melican for a pick 62. Was that the intent of your suggestion?

I was hoping for a bit more than that!

Good on GWS. I think Cameron is a bit too young to go to Geelong.

[707]

They’ll have to pay something for Markov ... and the Treloar deal isn’t over yet, otherwise a win-win. Other clubs will have a similar idea though.

Yes, forgot about that one. Richmond will get overs for Markov just because that's what picks GC has.

Geelong will do a trade, Smith and Higgins show they are in it for the now, they have the picks to get it done, GWS have the Tim Kelly trade template from last year to remind the Cats!

Treloar is interesting, what would it mean for the comp if he went to Richmond?

[Markwebbos]

Yes, forgot about that one. Richmond will get overs for Markov just because that's what picks GC has.

Geelong will do a trade, Smith and Higgins show they are in it for the now, they have the picks to get it done, GWS have the Tim Kelly trade template from last year to remind the Cats!

Treloar is interesting, what would it mean for the comp if he went to Richmond?

Don't think Richmond could afford Treloar unless they offloaded some players, and that's not their style. More Collingwood. But bet he wishes he chose differently when he left GWS.
He could go to the Bulldogs, who could offload Dunkley to Bombers or Carlton and still have change left over.

[KTigers]

Having seen what Geelong are allegedly offering Cameron $950k x 5 years, I’m not sure GW$ will match.

Hard to imagine any player is worth that much these days, especially someone whose tank will be running a bit dry in
a few years. D Martin I suppose would be worth that much.

You'd think by matching Geelong's offer and being the first club to match, they are also saying how they might deal
with RFA's in the future. They have played hardball before, like making Cam McCarthy sit out of AFL footy for a year
a few years back.