Updated Swans Team of the Century?

[goswannies]

Buddy wouldn’t get a start in my team (assuming we are just basing this on time at Swans).

Yeah I guess his time with Sydney might not warrant his inclusion. But he’s still got a couple of years on his contract to try and improve on the 118 games 364 goals, 2 Coleman medals, 4 times All Australian and leading our goal kicking 5 times since joining us in 2014

Reminds me of Bob Pratt in 1934, the year he kicked 150 goals (in fewer games than Hudson kicked the same number ... and Pratt kicked a league record 94 points that season too). Pratt had his best Brownlow Medal result in 1934, polling 14 votes to finish eighth, six votes behind winner, Essendon's Dick Reynolds. For all of this, Pratt did not win South Melbourne's Best and Fairest Award (won by Terry Brain). When Pratt asked a committee member why, he was given the response "You're very spectacular but not very effective."

[Captain]

My preference would be for Hall over Franklin. Mainly because Barry (06 aside) has been a better and more consistent finals player than Buddy. He was a big part of winning us 05 whilst Buddy has gone missing in both grand finals.

[Blood Fever]

My preference would be for Hall over Franklin. Mainly because Barry (06 aside) has been a better and more consistent finals player than Buddy. He was a big part of winning us 05 whilst Buddy has gone missing in both grand finals.

In 2014 GF he kicked 4 goals and was probably our best player

[Captain]

3 out of 4 of his goals in 2014 were after half time when the game was well and truely over.

I'm not turning this into a slagging match on Buddy. I love Buddy and we all agree he is a gun. However I would pick Hall over him with regards to what he has delivered us.

[Blood Fever]

I would leave out Carroll and Wright. Carroll was very over rated. A good club man (probably why he got a gig) but just a good average footballer. Good kick but as loose as granny's teeth. Steve Wright was an average rover who rarely played well against good sides. Don't know how they could have Heriot before Goldsmith who won a Brownlow at full back. Heriot was ok but just another average footballer who was no good anywhere else on the ground.

Agree re Wright and Carroll but reckon you're a bit harsh on Carroll. Was a brilliant wingman when he first started and was often undersized at CHB. Remember seeing Heriot(number 21) play but was too young to make a good judgement about him. Brownlow should have meant Goldsmith wasn't on the bench. Long may our memories stay intact Nico!

[goswannies]

My preference would be for Hall over Franklin. Mainly because Barry (06 aside) has been a better and more consistent finals player than Buddy. He was a big part of winning us 05 whilst Buddy has gone missing in both grand finals.

How about Bud vs Morwood for the HFF?
Goodsey vs Murphy for the wing?

And interestingly, Bud plays as a CHF as much as a deep forward, Hall more a true full forward. As a full forward, Hall averaged just under 2.9 goals a game with us. Capper averaged over 3.5 goals a game as a Swan at full forward and couldn’t even make the bench of the TotC.

[Captain]

How about Bud vs Morwood for the HFF?
Goodsey vs Murphy for the wing?

And interestingly, Bud plays as a CHF as much as a deep forward, Hall more a true full forward. As a full forward, Hall averaged just under 2.9 goals a game with us. Capper averaged over 3.5 goals a game as a Swan at full forward and couldn’t even make the bench of the TotC.

Yep fair point. You would go Buddy and Goodes over Moorwood and Murphy.

Capper was a gun but Hall was more consistent over a longer period and played a big part in delivering that premiership.

[bloodspirit]

Yep fair point. You would go Buddy and Goodes over Moorwood and Murphy.

Capper was a gun but Hall was more consistent over a longer period and played a big part in delivering that premiership.

Capper really was a Wiz but his goals were 'cheaper'. They came in an era of much greater goal scoring, and not under Roos' super accountable game style.

[0918330512]

Capper really was a Wiz but his goals were 'cheaper'. They came in an era of much greater goal scoring, and not under Roos' super accountable game style.

Plugger was pre-Roos (as a coach). So was Pratt. Does that logic diminish their goal scoring feats?

Capper’s marking would likely have been achieved in any era (apart from that brief period when forwards were stringently penalised for hand placement to launch). I think you’re hard on the Wiz. The problem with comparing players from different eras is that the game was different. Could they have adapted to different game styles? How much better (or worse) could they have been in a more professional environment. You can only really compare how much they dominated and what they achieved in their era.

It’s like Kevin Sheedy’s cheap shot on Graham Teasdale being the worst player to win a Brownlow. Teaser could only play as good as the opposition allowed him to and he was the Best and Fairest player in the VFL in that year, no matter what that bitter, opinionated twat Sheedy thinks

[Blood Fever]

Plugger was pre-Roos (as a coach). So was Pratt. Does that logic diminish their goal scoring feats?

Capper’s marking would likely have been achieved in any era (apart from that brief period when forwards were stringently penalised for hand placement to launch). I think you’re hard on the Wiz. The problem with comparing players from different eras is that the game was different. Could they have adapted to different game styles? How much better (or worse) could they have been in a more professional environment. You can only really compare how much they dominated and what they achieved in their era.

It’s like Kevin Sheedy’s cheap shot on Graham Teasdale being the worst player to win a Brownlow. Teaser could only play as good as the opposition allowed him to and he was the Best and Fairest player in the VFL in that year, no matter what that bitter, opinionated twat Sheedy thinks

Ordinary comment by Sheedy. Teasdale had a spectacular season in 1977 and was a very worthy winner.

[111431]

Ordinary comment by Sheedy. Teasdale had a spectacular season in 1977 and was a very worthy winner.

Agree - i remember the day we beat Collingwood at Vic Park on the back of his efforts

[Sandridge]

Ordinary comment by Sheedy. Teasdale had a spectacular season in 1977 and was a very worthy winner.

"Teaser" was the best footballer in the league by a country mile in 1977.

I maintain that Sheedy's comment was based on the fact that he was dirty that Richmond gave away 3 stars - Teasdale, Roberts and Jackson - to get Pitura from us and the deal turned out to be a bit of a shocker for the Tigers. Sheedy was at Richmond when Teaser was there - maybe he just didn't like him. Whatever the reason, the comment was unnecessarily nasty and completely wrong!

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Teasdale had a spectacular season in 1977 and was a very worthy winner.

He won the medal fair and square, but it'd be more accurate to describe it as a spectacular half season.

He was up forward for the first third of the season, his first two games up there were brilliant but was poor for the rest of the games until Ian Stewart chucked him in the ruck against the Hawks I think. Then he was brilliant, like 111431 I was at Vic park for the first Collingwood game.
I also remember the return game later in the season where Thompson nullified him, actually by that stage he was definitely starting to fade. By the time we got to the finals he was back to being an ineffective forward.

His Brownlow depended on a couple of big slices of luck.
What if . .
Ian Stewart hadn't chucked him in the ruck?
or even more likely
He'd been dropped by the match committee after a run of 5 poor games?

[i'm-uninformed2]

I really have no idea on the updated 2003 team as I didn’t see them all play, obviously.

But instinct tells me Bud, Goodes, Kennedy and Micky O are the likely ins - as much as I love some of the others suggested.

And anyone saying Bud doesn’t make it doesn’t get football. He’s an AFL Legend, including for his time in Sydney and has probably won us 20 or 30 games off his own boot.

As for criticisms of his GFs, he was one of the few who didn’t poop his pants in ‘14. If you said before the game he gets 17 possessions and kicks four goals, you think we’re over the line. He instead did that with an absent midfield.

And he rolled his ankle in ‘16, so what do you want him to do.

[Captain]

I really have no idea on the updated 2003 team as I didn’t see them all play, obviously.

But instinct tells me Bud, Goodes, Kennedy and Micky O are the likely ins - as much as I love some of the others suggested.

And anyone saying Bud doesn’t make it doesn’t get football. He’s an AFL Legend, including for his time in Sydney and has probably won us 20 or 30 games off his own boot.

As for criticisms of his GFs, he was one of the few who didn’t poop his pants in ‘14. If you said before the game he gets 17 possessions and kicks four goals, you think we’re over the line. He instead did that with an absent midfield.

And he rolled his ankle in ‘16, so what do you want him to do.

Settle down champ.

It was purely in reference to why I would select Hall over Buddy in the team.