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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    Swans chat Changes for Round 6 v Richmond Tigers

    Out: Gray, Ronke, Hayward
    In: McCartin, Warner and either Brand (if available) or Gould or Stephens or Stoddart or Foot (if not available).

    Does taking three small forwards out all at once mean we can no longer apply enough pressure in the front half? I'm thinking Warner can play forward and apply some of that pressure. Not as quick and good at goal scoring but a great tackler and can help us in the forward 50 contests and locking the ball in.

    I'm coming round to the idea of just playing the kids that are our future. Would be nice to be able to put a bit more experience around them, but that doesn't currently seem to be a luxury that we have.

    How long until Reid and Brand return? Buddy's still a way off. Naismith probably never coming back. Sinclair could be a while. No clue what's happening with Ling and Maibaum. Last I heard they were still on our list.

    What's the minimum amount of time we have to give O'Connor to learn the game before setting him loose?

    Right now I'm feeling pathetically grateful to have a journeyman like Cunningham, and even more so for a decent player like Hewett.
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  • Ruck'n'Roll
    Ego alta, ergo ictus
    • Nov 2003
    • 3990

    #2
    If we keep losing, at some point the 'changes for next week thread' is going to make an appearance before the end of the game.

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    • i'm-uninformed2
      Reefer Madness
      • Oct 2003
      • 4653

      #3
      My frustration with Grey, Ronke and when he played Taylor is the lack of forward pressure they apply. I’ll cop them being on the low possession side if they are pinging blokes with tackles. But they don’t.

      Until they do, don’t play them.
      'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        #4
        Melican groin injury?

        Time to look at a couple of the kids, Gould is physically ready, played really well against men in the SANFL and was good in the Premiership for Glenelg, just play him. Warner is a hard hitting tackling machine from summer reports, just play him.

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        • wolftone57
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2008
          • 5838

          #5
          If we are looking for forward pressure and goal kicking nous then Elijiah Taylor & Sam Wicks plus James Bell would need to be considered.

          If we are looking for defensive run the Stoddart, Ling Rowles.

          I looking for key position players then Maibaum and Brand.

          Tough tackling mids and backs then Gould, Warner & Reynolds.

          Fast mids Stephens and Rowles.

          I have not included Lewis Taylor

          We need to move on from some of the players who have long been considered walk up starters. We need to blood younger players and also stop considering trades as starters.

          We are not in contention for a top 8 spot on our form in the last two weeks. So play the Young blokes. Try Maibaum. I know the argument that will come back is: it's no good putting young blokes out on the park just to get blown away. We'll I can't think that they would be any worse than the players we are putting on the park now. After all most of them are far more naturally talented than many already out there. Oh and I would play 'Grassy' Knoll

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          • Captain
            Captain of the Side
            • Feb 2004
            • 3602

            #6
            Surely giving players like Gould, Warner and Stephens a run cannot hurt.

            I would bring in these three for Gray, Ronke and Clarke.

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            • jono2707
              Goes up to 11
              • Oct 2007
              • 3326

              #7
              No point taking a pick 5 then sitting them on the sidelines.....

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              • gazza
                Warming the Bench
                • Mar 2005
                • 329

                #8
                gray,taylor and ronke are a waste of salary cap. others are at least having a go. time for some kids to play
                forgotten 1996
                2005 a much sweeter memory,2012 even better

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                • Ralph Dawg
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2018
                  • 1729

                  #9
                  I think we need to face the fact that we are not going to come anywhere near winning the flag this year. Taking into account the cancellation of Neafl, Covid and it's effect on the integrity of season 2020 and the shortened quarters, we MUST get game time into our youngsters for their development.

                  As I mentioned before, there are many who will not be driving us to our next flag. If we are to be a threat, our 2017, 2018 and 2019 draftees need to kick on and the only way they will do this is with game time. Training and scratch matches will do nothing. For our next game, I would start with Gould and Stephens. They might play stinkers but that will be little change to what a few of our current team are doing.

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                  • MattW
                    Veterans List
                    • May 2011
                    • 4198

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bloodspirit
                    Out: Gray, Ronke, Hayward
                    In: McCartin, Warner and either Brand (if available) or Gould or Stephens or Stoddart or Foot (if not available).

                    Does taking three small forwards out all at once mean we can no longer apply enough pressure in the front half? I'm thinking Warner can play forward and apply some of that pressure. Not as quick and good at goal scoring but a great tackler and can help us in the forward 50 contests and locking the ball in.

                    I'm coming round to the idea of just playing the kids that are our future. Would be nice to be able to put a bit more experience around them, but that doesn't currently seem to be a luxury that we have.

                    How long until Reid and Brand return? Buddy's still a way off. Naismith probably never coming back. Sinclair could be a while. No clue what's happening with Ling and Maibaum. Last I heard they were still on our list.

                    What's the minimum amount of time we have to give O'Connor to learn the game before setting him loose?

                    Right now I'm feeling pathetically grateful to have a journeyman like Cunningham, and even more so for a decent player like Hewett.
                    These are generally my thoughts. Such a bummer that we don't have more reserves games to get these lads some footy. Looks like no scratch match this weekend. (Can anyone text barracuda?)

                    I don't think there's much point continuing to play Gray, Ronke, Clarke and O'Riordan. Time to roll the dice on some other players. It's at least time for Warner - Rowbottom and McInerney have shown the benefit of playing young kids who have a crack.

                    Melican is injured. Brand was listed as 'two weeks' on Tuesday.

                    I think Lewis Taylor offers more than Gray.

                    Not at all realistic, I know it's laughable, but whatever:

                    OUT: Gray, Ronke, Clarke, O'Riordan, Melican
                    In: Lewis Taylor, Foot, Warner, Stoddart, McCartin (playing defence)

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                    • wolftone57
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5838

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MattW
                      These are generally my thoughts. Such a bummer that we don't have more reserves games to get these lads some footy. Looks like no scratch match this weekend. (Can anyone text barracuda?)

                      I don't think there's much point continuing to play Gray, Ronke, Clarke and O'Riordan. Time to roll the dice on some other players. It's at least time for Warner - Rowbottom and McInerney have shown the benefit of playing young kids who have a crack.

                      Melican is injured. Brand was listed as 'two weeks' on Tuesday.

                      I think Lewis Taylor offers more than Gray.

                      Not at all realistic, I know it's laughable, but whatever:

                      OUT: Gray, Ronke, Clarke, O'Riordan, Melican
                      In: Lewis Taylor, Foot, Warner, Stoddart, McCartin (playing defence)
                      Why would you bring Lewis Taylor back in when he had 5 disposals in each of his last two outings. I would produce youth. Forget has beens

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                      • Legs Akimbo
                        Grand Poobah
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 2809

                        #12
                        I'd love to see a formal rotation policy. Estqblish a core group and actively rotate our youngers players around it. Those that step up could be added to the core group (occasionally). Would avoid us getting shallakings but provide all players with motivation to stay fit and motivated. Would ensure we don't have our reserves rotting in obscurity. Salvage something from this lamentable mess.
                        He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                        • Ralph Dawg
                          Senior Player
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 1729

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                          I'd love to see a formal rotation policy. Estqblish a core group and actively rotate our youngers players around it. Those that step up could be added to the core group (occasionally). Would avoid us getting shallakings but provide all players with motivation to stay fit and motivated. Would ensure we don't have our reserves rotting in obscurity. Salvage something from this lamentable mess.
                          Agree 100%. And as part of this, make the tough decision around certain players now that they will not be part of the rebuild. One thing I noticed yesterday was that we lack pace. KB brought Ling, Stoddart, Foote and Stephens in to address this yet none can get a run. If they're not ready, then they definitely won't get ready just training and playing scratch matches. The shortened quarters should suit these guys at this stage of their career. They all should be given a block of games to show us what their potential. Gould showed in the SANFL that he can penetrate either with run or kick if HB, another area we are deficient in. Get him in and perhaps Mills can be finally freed up to play on ball.

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                          • MattW
                            Veterans List
                            • May 2011
                            • 4198

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wolftone57
                            Why would you bring Lewis Taylor back in when he had 5 disposals in each of his last two outings. I would produce youth. Forget has beens

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                            Mostly on the strength of his three goals against Essendon, when he actually looked pretty dangerous.

                            You'll notice the rest of the ins are young.

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                            • Melbourne_Blood
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2010
                              • 3312

                              #15
                              Apparently some senior Tigers players won’t be going to the hub, though they have t said who yet .


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